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Smitty357
01-19-2008, 07:16 PM
I'm sure this has been covered many times and prob also a lit dynamite stick, but anyway, been loading at my Uncle's on wed nights and I think I'm ready to buy my own press. RCBS, Hornady, Lee ? Lee has a great special right now, over 50% off reg price, is this stuff junk or can it be trusted? Most of what I hear is RCBS, but is 3 times the price of Lee. I dont mind spending the money on a press I will have for ever but who wouldnt want to get an entire set up for $ 125. 00 ? Let'r rip fellows.
ShooterMarc
01-19-2008, 07:30 PM
I have been using the same RCBS press for 18 years. My Dad has been using his Lyman for 40 years. I just bought a Lyman Crusher2 to use as second press but I really like it and use it the most now. There are plenty of people who get great Service from Lee. All presses will load good ammo. The bottom line is pick one you like and go with it. If it's a Lee thats fine if its a more expensive press thats fine to. For the years that you will use it a press really doesn't cost much!
Stanger73
01-19-2008, 07:41 PM
yep, you lit a stick-o-dynamite alright.
The first question, courtesey of Captain Obvious, is: Best for what?
For a "beginner" or first setup, the Lee kits are really hard to beat. Lee equipment is a case study in "you get what you pay for", but since the quality of manufactured goods, especially the tool and die industry, is so high you just aren't going to go wrong. The Lee Auto-Prime and the Factory Crimp Dies (and a few more of their products) stand head-to-head with all but the highest end components, and will occasionally perform at as good or better.
The best part of getting one of their kits is that if you find that you need a "better" item that was in the kit, you will know what "better" is to you, still have the backup item, and will not have "wasted" any money.
I wholeheartedly recommend the Lee Aniversary kit as a first setup for anyone. I actually gave my boss (yes, my boss) one last year for Christmas! The new breech lock system looks very interesting as well and might be a great choice if you will be switching callibers often.
Smitty357
01-19-2008, 07:47 PM
will rcbs dies work in the Lee Press?
recoil junky
01-19-2008, 08:03 PM
Forster COAX. I've had mine since '76 or so. Well I haven't had it that long, Dad got it then to replace his Lyman tru-line Jr. Which I still use by the way. You can't beat the quick change die system and I think the COAX has more torque than most presses. It's got plenty of length for big calibers as I use mine to reload 300RUM's. I'd hate to guess how many reloads it's made over the years. I'm not a "volume" reloader by any means but I'd guess it sees between 2500 and 3000 rounds a year.
RJ
Jack Monteith
01-19-2008, 08:19 PM
Almost all dies are the standard 7/8"x14 thread, including Lee and RCBS. Exceptions are the old Lyman 310 dies with a 5/8"x30 thread and some dies for very large cartridges. The 310 tool and dies are still available in a limited number of calibres.
The best press? Well, my 40 year old RCBS Jr. is still going strong, but a case could be made for the Forster Co-Ax, but it's not cheap. (Watch kdub jump in. :D)
http://www.forsterproducts.com/Pages/press.htm
Bye
Jack
Marshal Kane
01-20-2008, 09:07 AM
. . . I think I'm ready to buy my own press. RCBS, Hornady, Lee ? . . .
All of the presses that you've named (include Lyman et al.) will do the job. The higher priced ones, the ones you intend for your grandkids to use, tend to be heavier, fitted tighter and offer more leverage which comes in handy should you ever decide to resize 500 once fired military cases or contemplate case forming. If you intend to reload primarily for handgun and rifle occasionally, then you won't need as much press. Would suggest you find a local gunshop that has some mounted demo presses for you to try and see if you can notice any differences between them. You've already been reloading using your uncle's press so you have something to compare them with. If the $125 Lee special appeals to you, then that is the press for you. Some of us will stay forever with the first press that they ever buy while others will find something that will do the job better, faster, and easier maybe later. Advocating that something is the "best" is like recommending the best car, very subjective, so choose the one that you like best and you won't go wrong.
ranger335v
01-20-2008, 09:17 AM
A good reloader can make accurate ammo on anything but a slob loader can't make good ammo on anything. Mostly it's up to you, not the press or dies, etc.
Presses fall into two major catagories. They can be "O" or "C" style and will have either a single toggle linkage and compound toggle. The single toggles and most "C" presses are obselete. All current presses use the better compound linkages.
Presses are made from either cast iron/steel or an aluminum alloy. The lighter presses work very well for smaller cases, especially handgun, up to medium rifle. They can be broken if the user is a mechanical clutz but they give good service when used properly. Lee, RCBS and Lyman make them and all are good values.
Ferrous metal presses are much stronger than they need be for sizing brass cases of any caliber. The only real advantages between brands and designs is the user preferences, not mechanical. I feel that Hornadys LNL die mounting is a useless gimmick but some folks seem to like it, etc.
Of the single stage presses currently available, I think the Lee "Classic Cast" (iron) press is as strong and durable as any made. It handles spent primers better than most others, the operating lever is uniquely adjustable and it's inexpensive too. IF I had to replace my Rock Chucker 2 tomorrow,that's what I would buy.
The Forster "Co-Ax" press is the exception. It's likely the best single stage press available but the cost is prohibitive for most of us while the advantages are very slight.
I just broke a piece on my 20+ year old Lee Challenger press this weekend. I have to admit I was using far more pressure than I should have. This press has loaded countless rounds throgh the years so it has payed for itself many times over. Most of what I have is Lee, I have tried the others, just about all of it is decent but the results I get with most of the Lee products end up the same as the more expensive brands. Many of the Lee products feel flimsy and cheap but they work very well and hold up fine. Some of their stuff is acutually much better than the competition.
Eric M.
01-20-2008, 11:40 AM
Stranger spoke for me when he wrote about the Lee Press.
I have reloaded for 40yrs with my Dad's old Lyman All American Turret Press.
Last summer I was offered a new Lee Classic Turret with all of the extras, at a price that I couldn't refuse.
Boy, is it nice to load all of my .45ACP's and 9mm's with it.
I still do my rifle reloadings, and my 45Colt and .41Mag with the Lyman, but for shooting competition, that Lee is some quality machine.
Go with the Lee, and you won't be sorry---or broke:o
Eric
ldv444
01-20-2008, 02:36 PM
My opinion on this subject-Go with the best that you can afford at that time and see what happens. Due to the fact that the cost between aluminum presses and cast iron are not that great, yet the advantage of cast iron is so much----I would always opt for the latter. RCBS, Redding, Lyman, and Forester all make great presses. The new Lee Cast looks interesting, though I am concernd with a press that uses a two piece ram.
Ebay is the great equalizer on this----get a press. Play with it. Load a lot on it and give it a fair chance. If you don't like it for some reason, sell it on Ebay. More than likely you are not going to get your money back completely, but you will make enough on it to put towards another press. And, your second purchase will be a more educated one if it comes to that..
I would also look towards companies that not only have a lifetime warranty, but also have a great reputation for customer service. Fortunately for us, most do.
Personally, I have two single stage presses. I have a Rockchucker by RCBS, and I have a Forester Co-Ax. I have been very happy with both. The Forester is expensive, but it does have quite a few measurable advantages. The hype that I read on it before I purchased it has proven to be true. Anyway, I hope this has helped in your search. Good Luck!!!!:)
BigJakeJ1s
01-20-2008, 02:48 PM
I really like my Forster co-ax. It is very well designed and built, and has some unique features that are not found on other presses. The quick change floating die retention system is both convenient and accurate. Ditto for the automatic shell holder system. I don't use the priming system, so I can't comment on it, except to say that because there is no slot in the ram for a conventional priming arm, the coax diverts every spec of debris and spent primer far away from the ram ways and linkage points into a catch bottle below. I like the over-the-top handle movement; the combination of position, leverage and rigidity allows both power and feel.
Things it does not too well: most collet type bullet pullers (except the hornady in some cases) won't work with it because the "die" will just spin when you try to tighten the collet, let alone the collet handle interfering with the press handle. You cannot put a powder measure on top of it to dump powder while expanding the case mouth (press handle interference). Most die lock rings except Forster and Hornady don't work with it (though I like them best regardless of press or die brand anyway). Primer pocket swaging will work only with the CH4D setup (ala ram-prime), and then you also need the Forster universal shell holder adapter (to take standard shell holders or similar accessories.)
Andy
Smitty357
01-20-2008, 02:49 PM
Can anyone comment on the turret press? or Lee's breech lock press, What is the concept of the turret press, you dial to the next die, spinning them in a circle as you need them?
Black tail
01-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Most turret preses can either be used in the "progressive" (auto index)or in a "batch", where you operate it much like you would a single stage.
I have Rock Chucker IV and a RCBS junior (prolly 40+years old). I like them both I use the jr to seat and crimp the 44mag/spl. everything else is done on the Rock Chucker.
Gil Martin
01-20-2008, 04:40 PM
I have two RCBS RockChuckers, one bought in 1971 and the other in 1991. Both presses still look like new after thousands of rounds reloaded on them. I have found an excellent used RockChucker at yard sale for a few dollars and another one at a gun shop for $40.00. There arer lots of excellent reloading presses out there. It depends what you prefer and can can afford. All the best...
Gil
ldv444
01-20-2008, 05:38 PM
I use the Co-Ax priming system on my press and I love it. It is very consistent, accurate, and easy to use. The mechanical advantage on my Rockchucker (which is fairly typical for O-frame designed presses) is 28 to 1. The Co-Ax mechanical advantage is 48 to 1!! You can full-length resize with very little effort and the "feel" with a co-ax is really something else. The US Seret Service, the Marine Corp Sniper Program, and the Army Sniper Program all use the Forester Co-Ax. I was orginally told this by Forester, but with the recent TV programs ( I believe on the HISTORY CHANNEL) that I have seen that show these departments/units reloading their own ammo---I saw a lot of Forester Co-Ax presses. Don't know if this helps anyone, but I thought it was interesting. Good success to everyone!:)
JR454
01-20-2008, 06:08 PM
Smitty, that turret press will allow you to keep several die sets mounted at the same time, eliminating the need to change dies each time for different operations. You can also mount the powder dispenser as well. Turrets are manually indexed, but can be almost as quick as a progressive. I have several presses including an RCBS progressive, but the press I use 90% of the time is my turret. Redding and Lyman make the best turret press in my opinion. The Redding has 7 stations, the Lyman has 6.
Oh, if you decide on going with LEE, their new Classic press looks like the best bargain of the lot, never used one, but have seen them on display.
JR
Wrench Man
01-20-2008, 06:53 PM
http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/catid/1/pid/23594/?viewImg=0
This all of the above rolled into one press, ask anyone who has one.
faucettb
01-20-2008, 07:27 PM
The best single stage press on the market is the Corbin S-1 with the Co-Ax following. I use the Lee presses. Haven't been able to tell an accuracy difference between the 400 dollar Corbin, Co-Ax and my Lee Challenger. They all load quality ammo, what color do you like.
leverite
01-20-2008, 09:22 PM
I started on an RCBS Jr., then inherited a RCBS Rockchucker from a buddy who passed away, as well as one of his Dillon progressives. I loaded all my rifle and hunting ammo on the rockchucker and mass quantities of handgun ammo on the Dillon progressive.
A couple years ago I got a Lee turret and love it! I use it now for my rifle/hunting ammo. I removed all the geegaws and advance it manually. I load a number of calibers (far too many!) and the turret swap out is a great feature.
I keep my rockchucker for high leverage jobs, depriming and bullet pulling. Still use the Dillon for handgun ammo. The RCBS junior is no longer on my bench.
Lots of good gear out there...personally, I've had good luck w/ Lee. Only one crimp die has failed (45-70), and they replaced it with an improved model.
ldv444
01-20-2008, 09:29 PM
faucetbb-
Have you ever loaded on a corbin or a co-ax? I mean loaded side by side with your Challenger? If so, what were some things that you noticed when you had all three of those presses on your bench? I thought about the corbin, but I didn't like the spent primer catcher on it. I can tell you that I have less run-out with my Forster Co-AX than I do with my RCBS RC..using the same dies,ect. A friend of mine did some experimentation with the two presses and we walked away believing that the Co-Ax did have a small advantage over the RC in this department....groups were tighter. What did you think of the quality of the Corbin when you were using it? I am glad to hear you have good luck with your Challenger. Has anyone else loaded on the Corbin? Good luck to all!!:)
Bob K
01-23-2008, 07:19 AM
Lee; 2 year warranty.
Dillon, R.C,B.S, Hornady, Lifetime, the company's, not yours.
As others have stated the Lee products will turn out very good ammunition, their turret press and progressives require more continual fussing than I care for after initial set up. The Classic single stage looks to be a good deal but it'd be hard to screw up a single stage press.
I've used a RCBS Junior3 for some 30 years now and see no need to replace it, since it works well for most of my centerfire rifle ammunition. I'm using a Hornady L & L AP for handgun and AR ammunition and love it. Any issues I've had with any of my presses have been resolved with a phone call. With Lee I've had to gently remind the woman who answers the phone that, yes, the part in question was STILL under warranty several times, with tech support it's been what's your address. With RCBS its been what's your address? We'll send a couple of spares just in case. I've had no issues with the Hornady yet, however I've only had it a couple of months.
If I needed a single stage, I'd certainly look very closely at the Lee Classic, but I'd probably get a Rockchucker, brand loyalty and all. I'm more than satisfied with the Hornady except I run out of components too fast and need to shoot a lot more to keep up with it.
Bob
ldv444
01-25-2008, 06:55 AM
BOB K- My experience with Lee and RCBS has been the same. You have to almost fight for service with Lee compared to Hornady, RCBS, DILLION, or Forester. I thought about the new RC until I found out that it was cast in China!! Take care...
Marshal Kane
01-25-2008, 07:25 AM
. . . I thought about the new RC until I found out that it was cast in China!! Take care...
Everything I see today is marked "Made in China" pronounced Chee-nah. That's a manufacturing suburb of City of Industry in Southern California isn't it???:confused:
MMichaelAK
02-02-2008, 08:43 PM
Smitty,
The Lee Classic Turret can be operated either as a progressive type where you reload one case from beginning to end and the turret turns with each lever stroke to advance to the next die along with charging the case if you use an autodisk powder measure. Or you can remove the actuating rod from the middle of the press by lifting it out and use it to batch process your cases and hand turn the turret when you want to move from sizing to bullet seating to crimping.
I've got the Classic Turret and it's strong enough to full length size, no sweat and a large enough opening and stroke to handle magnum length cases as well (.375 H&H).
Comparing it and the Lee Classic Cast to the Lyman Orange Crusher II and Rockchucker, They are the same, just as stout and well made but cost less.
A lot less.
Another friend just bought a Dillon second hand. Paid $200 for it. I want to check it out as soon as I can.
Eric M.
02-02-2008, 09:38 PM
Hey Michael, I have a Lee Classic Turret that I love, but have always wondered about a Dillon press.
I like to be able to see and check each individual load that I produce.
I feel that it is safer, and I will get better accuracy out of it.
I have never seen a Dillon work, and have reservations on quality of the loads because of all the fast production.
Let us know what you think of it, and if you don't mind, please drop me a PM so I don't miss your post on the Dillon, if you do post your observations.
Thanks,
Eric
mattsbox99
02-02-2008, 10:06 PM
After helping a friend set up a Dillon RL550B and using my own RCBS Turret press, I would never buy a Dillon. They might have great customer service, but his press was a joke. The die holder wiggled excessively in the top, the powder measure case linkage kept popping off the armature, after a hundred or so rounds, the linkage actually bent. He purchased the machine new, and having never reloaded rifle before, didn't have a clue about it.
I found out later he was loading shotshells on a MEC 500, using black powder and the powder bushing that was in the machine, he didn't even own a scale to check the charge weight.
I know the Dillon is a progressive and mine is a turret, but the quality is just not there on the Dillon, and mine was $180 cheaper.
Eric M.
02-02-2008, 10:43 PM
I hate to judge something that I have never seen in operation, but I check my load charge ever 5-6 loads, for accuracy, I see every bullet seat, and handle every case.
Even with my Redding Powder Measure on my Lyman All American Turret, the drops will change as the humidity changes, and then it calls for a resetting and scaling.
I just can't see that happening on the Dillon.
Too many things are taken for granted, that I don't want taken for granted.
I want to shoot out the ten ring, with no excuses when that doesn't happen except that I shot like crap.
Eric
Wrench Man
02-02-2008, 10:46 PM
The DILLON can be a complicated machine, no dought, the problem you experienced withe linkage was because the rod was installed from the wrong side of the return arm on the powder measurer.
the tool heads do float to some degree but the cases are held rather firmly in the shell holder as the can float in the shell holders of other presses.
The powder measurer does seem loose at rest but it is activated by the shell it's self, and floats to match the shell location.
I learned to load on an old Lyman turret press and I would never give up my DILLON for any turret press!
I will admit that the DILLON is a bit of a PITA to set up but once you get it right there is no looking back, weather you run it as a progressive or a single stage.
If you had taken the time to read the directions that came with the DILLON you would have been able to set it up properly!
flashhole
02-03-2008, 05:31 AM
I have two Ultramag presses on my bench. They will be there forever. I had and sold a Rockchucker, a Forster Co-Ax, and a Redding 6-station turret (sold all of them on eBay for more than I paid for them). All the ones I sold were good presses but for one reason or another didn't step up to expectations and certainly none of them will receive bad mouthing from me. I have never had a Lee press or a Lyman press or a Corbin press so I can't comment on them. Over the years I have amassed a collection of Handloader Magazine. I periodically purge the ones I have no interest in and keep the rest. I have one issue with an article that compared 3 turret presses, the Reddting T-7, the Lyman, and the RCBS. Nothing bad was said about any of them and the author did a good job of explaining the differences. Based on the aritcle I read I would choose either the Redding or Lyman.
AVIVIII
02-03-2008, 08:21 AM
I hate to judge something that I have never seen in operation
Eric
Eric, Check out YouTube. There are a couple people that have done reloading demos and video taped them. One that I can recall used the Dillon 550. I'll see if I can find the link.
AVIVIII
02-03-2008, 08:23 AM
Actually, check out this guys page. Hes got just about everything on there.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PorterhouseV
Wrench Man
02-03-2008, 10:08 AM
Actually, check out this guys page. Hes got just about everything on there.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PorterhouseV
In one of his video's he shows how to put the powder measure return rod in backwards (from the WRONG! side) that I made reference to in my last post, the photos in the manual and my personal experience CLEARLY show this.
I will admit that the DILLON seems to be a pain to set up, but you have to take into consideration that your setting up EVERYTHING! at once, not sizing, then priming, then belling, then throwing the powder charge, then seating, then crimping.
It's basically a turret press that you just move the shells not the tooling and it'll do it in one throw of the handle instead of several.
And you can indeed operate it in a "single stage" mode if you wish.
mes49
02-03-2008, 11:04 AM
If you're loading handgun ammo, a Lee 4 turret press (Deluxe Pistol Press Kit) is just fine. It's in the hangoff accesories to the Lee where I got confused. Lee makes a lot of stuff, sometimes 2 or 3 different versions of a device to accomplish the same task (like powder charging). They won't tell you which is best so I spent a few extra bucks to automate my press as much as possible with the best stuff.
If you do choose the Lee check with someone else who has one or PM or email me for help on the accessories.
Mike in Memphis
mes49
02-03-2008, 11:34 AM
I forgot a choice factor. I will admit my Lee press does require a little fussing, fidgeting, a nudge here and there, etc. I find their website claim of 200 rounds per hour nowhere close to realistic in my experience.
If handloading is a necessary evil to reach an economic advantage or whatever, buy the best progressive press you can find. If you like or don't mind tinkering the Lee is just fine.
Mike
AVIVIII
02-03-2008, 08:39 PM
Thats the thing, this guy pulled off over two hundred rounds per hour with a manual turret dillon.
I use the lee load all for shotshell reloading. Love it. Actually have 2 of them set up, 12 and 20. For the $$$, why not... I have a RCBS that I have been doing one-offs for my 45acp, but havent had the confidence yet to pull off a full batch. After this weekend of shooting with my boys, I have a lot of spent brass and no mad money, so it looks like i'll be gaining that confidence real quick. I'll let you know how the RCBS works out.
Wrench Man
02-03-2008, 08:53 PM
Thats the thing, this guy pulled off over two hundred rounds per hour with a manual turret dillon.
As he stated that's a conservative amount, I've personally loaded 470rds of 40S&W in less than an hour.
Dillon claims 500-600rds an hour!
Range Junkie
02-04-2008, 01:02 PM
I just recently got a Co-Ax press and love it. Before it I was loading on a Lee Challenger. If you are not worried about turning out hundreds of rounds of pistol ammo an hour and are more interested in supreme accuracy or rifle loads buy a Co-Ax. As many will say it is expensive compared to others (around $200). I don't feel that $200 is too much to spend on a tool that will last you a lifetime. I have no doubt that if I take care of this one, as I do with all my tools, this thing will still be building top notch ammo when I'm dead and gone. I love the snap in and out die change and the self-centering jaws that hold the shell. The only downside I can think of, besides the slower speed of using a single stage, is if you have to change the jaws around because of the calibers you load. I don't have to worry about this because all of the calibers I reload use the same set of jaws.
1911fan
02-04-2008, 05:20 PM
I recently ordered a CoAx press, it was a tough decsion between it and a T-7 Redding, still waiting for it to arrive. I currently use an old RockChucker for rifle and SSP, Dillon for 45acp. Can't beat the Dillon for speed and customer service. As I load for more calibers, convenience in die changing (especially bullet seaters) is something I was looking for - along with accuracy. When I get the CoAx up and running I'll let you know my take on it.
ldv444
02-04-2008, 06:47 PM
I've had my Co-Ax for a couple of years now and it has been great. I'm thinking of ordering another!!!
1911fan- Keep us posted on how well you like your co-ax...
mes49
02-06-2008, 09:38 AM
How much would a Coax press run with all the "whistles and bells" to load .357 Mag, .40S&W, 10mm, aand .45ACP?
Mike in Tennessee
1911fan
02-06-2008, 05:51 PM
Well I just received my new CoAx press, clamped it on the bench, did a quick die adjustment and resized a few 243's. Press worked great, I really like the quick die change feature. I'm pleased with this arrangement over the T-7 personally. Very impressed with the overall design and function, although the primer seating feature is fairly worthless but I knew that going in, and I do all repriming separately so isn't an issue. Maybe they could offer it without the priming feature and cut a few bucks off the price?? Or else get with the 21'st century and offer an automated attachment. Overall very impressed, I'll like working with it, haven't seated with it yet but quite sure it' be just fine. I'm not ready to throw away the Rock Chucker, but I wish I had some reloading to do tonight to try out the new system....
ShooterMarc
02-07-2008, 03:26 AM
The Dillon is a neat piece of equipment and that video has made me seriously consider a progressive. What are the major differences between the RCBS, Dillon, and Hornady progressives?
faucettb
02-07-2008, 03:45 AM
If your new to reloading ShooterMarc I would suggest you start with a single station press to learn on. You can always upgrade later and that single station will be usable down the road a bit.
flashhole
02-07-2008, 04:01 PM
...I'm pleased with this arrangement over the T-7 personally...
Forster's Co-Ax press is a great press, I hope you think as highly of it if you have to load really long cartridges and can't get a bullet in the case without dropping them (repeatedly) and/or pinching your fingers in the mechanism. That was my only complaint about it. For the 243 and like size cartridges it is super.
ShooterMarc
02-07-2008, 05:11 PM
Bob I've got 25 years of experience ( I started at 15) and it takes me a while to do 45s on my single stage. If I load faster I can load and shoot more, and hopefully improve my pistol skills!
faucettb
02-07-2008, 06:09 PM
There's no getting around the speed a good progressive can give you then Shooter. The Dillons are an excellent press for the money and service from them is great.
ShooterMarc
02-07-2008, 06:45 PM
I like the reviews of Dillon's service I've seen here and other places. The 550 is actually priced lower than the RCBS progressive. I like the green stuff and have plenty of it but it looks like Dillon is hard to beat on the progressive equipment. I will only load handgun ammo on it, the Rockchucker and Lyman will continue on rifle duty.
1911fan
02-07-2008, 07:08 PM
If you're just going to load handgun, you might consider the square deal. I have loaded 1000's of 45acp on one, and figure if I do enough 10mm, I'll just get another square deal. They come all setup from dillon, all ya pretty much have to do is add powder, set the powder measure for your charge and start pulling the handle.
1911fan
02-07-2008, 07:15 PM
Forster's Co-Ax press is a great press, I hope you think as highly of it if you have to load really long cartridges and can't get a bullet in the case without dropping them (repeatedly) and/or pinching your fingers in the mechanism. That was my only complaint about it. For the 243 and like size cartridges it is super.
flashole: This is one reason I'll keep my RC, I've read about this complaint about the CoAx previously, currently what I shoot I don't think this will be a problem. I'm partial to my old RC, it's loaded countless rounds and I'm used to the convenience. The CoAx will have a bit of getting used to. I do like the die changing convenience though.
ShooterMarc
02-07-2008, 07:28 PM
I've looked at the square deal but may load as many as 4 calibers.
jenrob
02-07-2008, 08:11 PM
ShooterMarc
If you are looking into a progressive I would look at the Hornady. At this time it can't be beat (1000 free rounds of bullets) other than that once this promotion is up I would buy what ever I could get local. Just to save on shipping and if I needed something I could get it that day. I can't speak for the RCBS pro2000 but if I had to bet that it was a good press I don't think I would loose any money. I have used a 550 and a LNL and pulled the handle a few times on a 650 nothing in it. I wouldn't say any one of them is better than the other. The 650 and LNL same press different color different mold same quality 550 manual index 4 stations. some like the manual index some don't. I have a friend that can make the 550 run like it was auto index.
The SDB is good if you are just going to load pistol and plan on buying dies. It uses it's own dies.
Jäger
02-09-2008, 04:13 PM
I'm sure this has been covered many times and prob also a lit dynamite stick, but anyway, been loading at my Uncle's on wed nights and I think I'm ready to buy my own press. RCBS, Hornady, Lee ?
I'm a firm believer in the Bonanza Co-Ax for single stage and Dillon XL650 for volume loading. Started out on a Black Bair "C" press borrowed from the old man. Went to the RCBS Rockchucker, which I have nothing bad to say about and probably should have kept for those "just in case" occasions. But the Co-Ax offered significant advantages, not the least of which was rapid die changes when I reloaded handgun in volume and about the only choice available for progressive reloading was outside of my budget. About its only disadvantages are most specialty dies i.e. collet bullet pullers, push through resizers, etc, won't work in it.
Yup, they cost more. But sometimes its worth it to spend the extra money. I can't remember what the extra is I spent on the Co-Ax when I bought it at the White Elephant back in around '72 or '74, but it has probably amortized fairly well over the ensuing 35 years...
BigJakeJ1s
02-09-2008, 06:24 PM
The Hornady Cam-lock collet style bullet puller can be used on the co-ax.
ldv444
02-09-2008, 08:03 PM
I load 375 HH on my Co-AX and haven't had a problem with lack of room.
1911- Try the priming system. It works really well ( though slower ) and it seats the primers very consistently and with great feel. JMO.....
Flashhole- What rounds were you reloading that you felt cramped with the Co-AX?
Hope all is well with everyone....
flashhole
02-10-2008, 05:37 AM
I was loading 300 win mag with 200 and 220 grain bullets. They were long bullets and I would have to stuff them up into the die and drop them down to get them to nest into the case neck. I just got tired of pinching my fat fingers and dropping bullets and migrated to the Ultramag.
ldv444
02-10-2008, 06:46 AM
Flashhole-
Thanks for the reply. How do you like your UltraMags? Do you ever hit your hand on the linkage arms/bars when moving things in and out of the operational window? I have a friend that had one and complained about hitting his hand when moving stuff in and out--but he's kinda a monkey with a hammer! lol
Take care and hope all is well with you and yours...
sonofmyfather
02-15-2008, 12:00 PM
Forester Co-Ax no question. but if so see if you can find the new B3, supposedly accepts more dies
flashhole
02-16-2008, 06:37 AM
Flashhole-
Thanks for the reply. How do you like your UltraMags? Do you ever hit your hand on the linkage arms/bars when moving things in and out of the operational window? I have a friend that had one and complained about hitting his hand when moving stuff in and out--but he's kinda a monkey with a hammer! lol
Take care and hope all is well with you and yours...
No problem at all, I don't see how you could make a press more open than this thing. There is plenty of operating room and the amount of leverage you can get is unbelievable.
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