Hi All

I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on this issue. A friend of mine gave me a 257 roberts about 20 years ago, I completely forgot about it and it was stored. None the less he had it for about 34 years prior to giving it to me. Recently going through all the crap I have I found it I always thought it was a Winchester Mod. 70, decided to clean it today and found out it wasn't.

The barrell is engraged on the top "257 Roberts IMP" barely legable on the barrells underside is stamped "Lava& Cox" *No * 17*. The rifle has 2 two triggers.
Apprecaite any info. I can gtet

Thanks

Chris

Pictures are always a great help in trying to identify firearms. The set triggers would suggest a European make of some sort. The chambering is not really too common with gunmakers in that area, though. A 257 Improved is most likely Ackley Improved with a 40 degree shoulder, although being a custom chamber, it could be of various "improved" models. Have a gunsmith verify the actual dimensions. The 257 Roberts is a 7x57 mm Mauser case that is necked down to the quarter bore. The improved status blows the case out to nearly straight wall and provides the sharper shoulder angle.

I do not to profess to be a photog, but here are some pictures of the rifle in question.





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Any help would be appreciated

Beautiful custom stock and what appears to be an old model Weaver scope in Weaver rings.

Try to get some photos closeup of the action and bolt detail. Taking it out of the stock and showing the action/recoil lug detail might also uncover more maker or proof markings.

Is the magazine floor plate hinged or detachable? Are there small locking screws securing the two receiver screws?

Does the bolt have multiple opposed lugs? Does the floor plate act as a wrench for the front action screw when it's open. I think I see a First Model Newton action.

Bye
Jack

certainly an interesting piece

I can't tell what action that is, but it's a darned nice looking rifle. With it being an improved version your going to have to fire form you cases from standard 257 Roberts cases. It may shoot the standard loads fine, but you'll need a set if dies to reload it.

Like some of the others ask if you can take a closeup of the action and bolt we may be better able to help you identify it or take it to a local gunsmith and he can help you out.

Like as has been already stated. Need more views.

It may very well be a Newton but, Many years ago, Savage and Anschutz partnered on a brief run and it could be this as well.

Whatever it is I like it a lot- very nice

338

The action is a first Model NEWTON. I used to collect them. The gun has been restocked (and rebarreled). A lot of times when this was done, the takedown system was eliminated. There should be a serial number at the root of the bolt handle; you can see it when you crack the bolt. What is it??? I have a list of a few hundred Newton rifles, and may have some background on yours.

It's been years since I handled a First Model Newton. Should the Newton name be stamped on the receiver ring, under the front scope mount base?

Bye
Jack

Boy if that's a Newton, what a sweetheart and a great find.

I'm 99.99% sure it's a Newton. The safety on the rear of the bolt is correct and what I can see just looks Newton. It's too bad it's not original, as the .256 Newton is a sweet cartridge. I wonder if we'd have heard of Roy Weatherby if Charles Newton had stayed in business. His backer was a big brewer who got hit by Prohibition.

Bye
Jack

Follow this link, I took all your collected advise and stripped it down and Photographed what I thought was important, 2 pages




Jack
Thats exactly it, the hinged "Does the bolt have multiple opposed lugs? Does the floor plate act as a wrench for the front action screw when it's open"

Krag exactly where you said it would be I got a good pic of the number it also appears stamped under the reciever the Number is

Getting closer getting some great info. I apprecaite it all
Chris

First Model Newton action, all the way. No doubt about it.

Bye
Jack

The only place on the rifle where you will find Newton's name would be on the barrel. Looks like an ordinary Newton action that was once a 256 and rebarreled after Western quite producing ammunition about 1940. This was the fate of a lot of 256s. And it looks like the takedown system was retained on your gun.
I used to have a collection of about 45 Newton rifles, now all gone save two. I kept a presentation 256, from a wife to her husband Christmas 1919, and so engraved on the floorplate. The other a fancy wooded 256 with bolt peep sight that was an Alaskan moose getter. I don't have any data on your SN.

Here are some cartridges relevant to the Gun.
Could it be, that someone thought he had a 257 Roberts Improved after a chamber cast and it was the 256 Newton??

Wolf

Seems unlikely. Some one put a 25 caliber barrel on that rifle and had it chambered 257 AI.