looking at both of these and have read a lot of posts about both. looking for a heavy barrel 308 to shoot mostly range shooting. have heard great about both but wondering what thoughts are on both and differences (other than the 10fp having a 2 inch shorter barrel and being about 20 -30$ more, and extra swivel stud). don't believe guns are accurate, shooters are accurate, guns are consistent. is one more consistent than the other?

Welcome to the forum woodsman. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

I've heard that a shorter barrel given the same diameter is stiffer and may deliver better groups than the same barrel that is longer, but it's just what I heard. Savages seem to shoot well because of the way their headspaced.

One big advantage to a Savage is if you want a varmint barrel it's only a matter of about 15 minutes to change out the barrel to a different caliber.

I can't really tell you if one is better than that other but I can comment on the 10fp. I have the 10fp with the HS Precision stock in 308 win. It is a great gun. The Savage's tend to be a little less eye appealing than some other guns on the market but their function is top notch. I will say this, I have heard that the entry level 10fp comes with a pretty flimsy stock. That is the reason I decided to go with the model that comes with the HS stock instead. You can also get it with a McMillan stock but the price jumps up even more and I don't think the benefits of that stock outweigh the cost. Either way you go I think you will have a rifle that will print sub MOA groups all day long. The biggest question on the barrel length is what your intended purpose for the gun is. If you are just going to shoot off a bench or prone and not carry it long distances then the longer barrel may suit your needs just fine. If you are going to carry it up into a deer stand with you I would get the shorter barrel.

For a very consistent choice, give Remington's tactical rifles a good look. Some rifles are internet accurate, some rifles actually deliver at the range. http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/18_8/features/5350-1.html

Savage may be a little cheaper, but Remington may shoot a little better. I like my money just as well as the next guy but I'm willing to spend a few bucks more for better performance and a nicer product. If you can find a way to actually shoot these rifles side by side, (I know, hard to do) you might find there is a difference between internet print and the groups the rifles print. This "out of the box accuracy" crap doesn't mean much compared to what a rifle will actually do in your hands. Put simply, if a thousand plus dollars of my money is at stake, I'm going to do more than just compare internet group sizes, I want to see it for myself and then decide.

Having owned plenty of Savages and Remingtons I can tell you that the Savages tend to shoot very well out of the box, most remington do to but not all. Savage will make it right if you are unhappy with the accuracy of your rifle. Remington will tell you that 3MOA is within standards. In under 15 minutes you can swap barrels and change calibers on a Savage, a Remington has to go to the smith. Remingtons do look better, many are great shooters and I like the Remongton style safety better. Savage has the Accutrigger, Remington has the X-trigger as a direct result of Savage offering a better trigger.

Having owned plenty of Savages and Remingtons I can tell you that the Savages tend to shoot very well out of the box, most remington do to but not all. Savage will make it right if you are unhappy with the accuracy of your rifle. Remington will tell you that 3MOA is within standards. In under 15 minutes you can swap barrels and change calibers on a Savage, a Remington has to go to the smith. Remingtons do look better, many are great shooters and I like the Remongton style safety better. Savage has the Accutrigger, Remington has the X-trigger as a direct result of Savage offering a better trigger.

You're kidding yourself if you think any of the factories will jump through hoops because your rifle doesn't shoot like you want it too. If you really have owned many rifles and actually dealt with the makers, then you'll know that not all experiences are pleasant, I don't care who it is. Don't take my word for it, find a dealer or warranty station and talk to them. You might learn something about factory rifles and since you like Savage, you might discover how Sharp Shooter Supply came into being. A perfect "out of the box" accurate rifle wouldn't need to be accurized...would it?

Two things amaze me about the gun business. One is the first time concealed carry buyer. They gotta have a Glonk, turn it side ways once or twice, buy ten extra magazines and then want a holster to carry all that crap. The second is the "out of the box accurate" internet shooters. One thing you can just about bet, they have all been on the internet and they all know what is best. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with asking and sharing opinions but at some point, you need to think for yourself and it would really be better if that happened before the money changed hands.

Here's what I think about inherent accuracy Lumberjak. If a gun has a button rifled barrel that is smooth inside, dual pillar bedding and a better, more stress free way of attaching the barrel, and a much, much better trigger, it IS inherently more accurate. Since the Savages come out of the box this way and Remingtons DO NOT, the Savages are more accurate 9 times out of ten,Mister. I've had both. Now I have only Savages. Remington doesn't make a rifle as good as the 12-112 series Savages. Period. I thought about one of the new 700's in .257 Weatherby for a little while. Then I thought, why waste the money on THE shell and not have it in THE rifle. Now I plan to have an excellent gunsmith chamber my 112 Savage to it and have it all. This IS just my opinion, but, I've had several of both and I wouldn't have any fear going head to head with factory rigs for average. Some say Remingtons have the looks but I wouldn't even give them that. I wish they would drop their prices or add more quality so it wouldn't be so embarassing for them.

Here's what I think about inherent accuracy Lumberjak. If a gun has a button rifled barrel that is smooth inside, dual pillar bedding and a better, more stress free way of attaching the barrel, and a much, much better trigger, it IS inherently more accurate. Since the Savages come out of the box this way and Remingtons DO NOT, the Savages are more accurate 9 times out of ten,Mister. I've had both. Now I have only Savages. Remington doesn't make a rifle as good as the 12-112 series Savages. Period. I thought about one of the new 700's in .257 Weatherby for a little while. Then I thought, why waste the money on THE shell and not have it in THE rifle. Now I plan to have an excellent gunsmith chamber my 112 Savage to it and have it all. This IS just my opinion, but, I've had several of both and I wouldn't have any fear going head to head with factory rigs for average. Some say Remingtons have the looks but I wouldn't even give them that. I wish they would drop their prices or add more quality so it wouldn't be so embarassing for them.

You have my permission to call Krieger and tell them how to make barrels since theirs are single point cut. Maybe they haven't heard of Savage's secret button rifled barrels. You might actually look at rifles before you say they DO NOT exist. Remingtons tactical series rifles (like the link I attached) are in fact block bedded with pillars, decent barels and adjustable triggers. To repeat myself, if Savages are so accurate out of the box, why do you need a gunsmith to work one over? I've shot a zillion Savages, rebarreled a few and thrown a few triggers in the junk box...just don't care for them. A good rifle starts with a good barrel, no brand will offset that fact. If you're going to tune an action, install a good barrel and bed it into a good stock, you will probably have an accurate rifle. If you want to build it on a Savage action, that would be your choice but don't get your feelins hurt to bad if a Remington takes your money. You won't find much difference in what can be done and then it falls into the realm of how much experience the shooters have. I get a kick out these guys who bought thirty Remingtons and they were all junk. Would seem more reasonable they could have had bad luck with one or two but that dog won't hunt. If you want a slick factory rifle, buy a Sako but quality don't come as cheap as the domestic blends. (I should mention Sako doesn't know about secret button rifled barrels either, theirs are cold hammer forged.) When you visit that gunsmith, don't be surprised if he doesn't suggest a Remington action, a Krieger barrel, a Jewel trigger and a high end stock.

Whoah.... easy, fellas.

FYI Douglas has button rifled barrels for a long time, and the are well known for accuracy.

Whoah.... easy, fellas.

FYI Douglas has button rifled barrels for a long time, and the are well known for accuracy.


I think we're OK MikeG, we hadn't started swingin yet:D I didn't read a post as abrasive and you guys have probably figured out, I'm mostly tongue in cheek...though somewhat opinionated.

My M1A sports a Douglas air gauged barrel, nothing wrong with them.

im not lookin for any arguments, i just want to know if one is more CONSISTENT then the other (as i have already stated, i dont believe rifle are accurate, i believe shooters are accurate and guns are consistent. its scares me a little that remington accepts 3 MOA as acceptable.) i have a remington 700 .30-06 and its a great gun and very consistent. i was just looking at the savages because they have got greatest reviews, are a little cheaper, and from what i hear, easier to work on. im not lookin to shoot 1000 yards with this thing, i just want something that is consistent enough to shoot 1/2- 3/4 MOA to about 400 yards. im gonna mostly use it at the range for fun but also deer hunting, and maybe coyote (i know this caliber is extreme overkill for coyote but im a big fan of nato rounds and .223 isnt an option for deer). i'll probably just keeep the stock until i can afford a better one. i'm gonna put the best optics i can on it but i believe in spending the $ on the gun and not the optics. after all, if the gun isn't consistent, what does it matter what optics are on it? so basically all im wondering is if the 10 fp is worth the extra money (about 30$) for a shorter barrel (by 2 inches) and an extra swivel stud (as i believe these are the only differences between the two).

No arguments woodsman but I confess, I have a overactive sense of humor. Most brand owners are pretty laid back but there is that "one" brand where the owners are like ants, you squish one and the rest come pouring out of the hole...sorry but I like to play with em just a little.

First, rumor control. Unless you heard that 3MOA thing direct from Remington, I wouldn't put much stock in it. Unfortunately, all the manufacturers have fairly liberal "acceptable accuracy" levels and often times it depends on who you talk to at each factory. Savage offers the same accuracy guarantee as Remington and both have happy and unhappy customers....that is a fact.

As to Savage models, not much difference between those two models. Most Savage heavy barrels shoot pretty good and either model should easily go under 1MOA. The barrel length will be negligible. If you want to install a sling and a bipod, maybe the 10FP is a good choice, for 30 bucks I'd say just get the one that feels best. Sometimes a little less barrel makes a rifle feel better balanced for offhand shooting but a little more barrel weight makes em settle into the bags better...it's still a toss up.

good to hear. not that im saying i won't get another brand, just that these seem to be the best option for the money. looked at the remington 700 sps varmint and its a nice rifle and feels good. just hear that savage is a little better if there is a problem. like i said, have a 700 and love it. love all the remingtons i have. dont have a savage yet but am eager to try the accutrigger and see how they shoot. the 3 MOA thing was just what i have read. know for fact that remington defines 1.5 MOA as acceptable. this isnt bad but not acceptable to me, i believe that any rifle out of the box should be capable of 1 MOA or less (in a perfect world :). i know that ammo is a big factor and all that other stuff but i just feel that the savage would be a better choice over the remington in this case (even though i love remington). everyone has given great advice and i am thankful for it. i think when it comes down to it, i am just gonna have to handle both and decide which feels better. im not worried about the extra swivel because if i decide to put a bipod on it, many companies make them where slings can be attached.

When I'm being serious, I tell people to buy whatever they like and/or fits their budget. If you get past the factory horror stories, some real, some inflated, you'll discover that they seem to run hot and cold. The best and worst factory experience I have had was with the same company...go figure. Savage offers good accuracy for a good price, can't deny that but this most accurate out of the box stuff gets foolish sometimes. Some people just have to think their rifle brand is the most accurate I guess. Factory rifles don't impress me much, most offer good accuracy and will certainly do the job but aint a lot of difference really. If your rifle shoots 1/4 inch groups and mine shoots 5/16 inch, does it matter? Unless we are competing it doesn't and if that's the case, I'll go custom....buy what you like and you'll be happier in the long run. The most accurate factory .308 rifles I have owned is a Steyr SSG but hey the cookie jar don't always have that much money in it. It was probably one of the ugliest rifles made with the green cycolac stock but when they shoot that good...ah oh, that's a Savage argument...sorry. I know it gets confusing. This brand wins this test and that brand wins that test and everybody swearing by their brand...and then you go buy one and get the lemon:confused:.

Woodsman go over to this forum and read about what folks that are shooting coyotes say about the Savage and the Stevens. Lots of folks really like the little Stevens for the money and for it's accuracy. Check out the forums.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/

Personally I don't have any Savages's in the safe, but my old hunting partner does and it's as accurate as anything I shoot and I'm kind of picky about having accurate guns. I just think their butt ugly, but everyone I've shot has been accurate enough for my use.

The most accurate rifle's in the safe right now are three CZ's, two 204 Rugers and a 22 long rifle.

Well Lumberjak, do you're factory rifles, any of them, have Krieger barrels on them? No. Did I say Savage had a big secret barrel making process? No. I thought we were talking about factory rifles. Is button rifling a barrel a better way for a major manufacturer to make a smooth, consistent barrel? Yes. Does it cost more. Yes. HHMM. How come Savages don't cost more ? I'm not railing on the Remington's here. They work fine. I have one still. The comment about the rifle being the problem for guys who have large groups was a bit much. Sometimes yes. Not with me. I really do shoot tacks at 100 yards. Many people on this forum do. I DO NOT want a personal battle here but I take a little offense in you calling our support of our product of choice, being a swarm of ants. Maybe all of these reports you hear on the web are actually from working class people who know what seems to shoot best for them. I think all these reports back up what everyone has been saying. I doubt if it's a conspiracy. Dollar for dollar on factory rigs. Go find someone who has enough money to do the test. Do it fair and do it equal. I know how it will end. I have nothing more to say on this thread. Have a good day Lumberjak, and God Bless.

Lumberjak you hijacked this thread bashing Savages when the question of what was better Remington or Savage was never asked. You assume everyone stating an opinion is blindly defending “THEIR” brand. For your information I have owned quite a few Remington’s and Savages in the past and still own both brands.
Remington’s are some of the best looking guns made, I like their safety better than a Savage or Mauser style, the bolt has more camming power than a Savage. I believe I am the only guy in the world that thinks it’s a waste of money to convert a Remington to a Sako extractor because I have never had a problem with the factory piece. The Remington is the small block Chevy of the gun world, just about any gunsmith is familiar with them, in fact for many they make up most of their business customizing them. The Savages are not so sexy looking; the floating bolt design makes caliber changes very easy and enhances accuracy potential because lug contact is more forgiving than a one piece bolt. The Savage bolt doesn’t have the camming power of the Remington’s, not a problem if you stay away from very hot loads and keep the chamber from getting filthy. Savages used to have a reputation of poor feeding something I never had much of a problem with but Savage has changed to a center feed design to correct this. Barrel changes are very easy including caliber changes no need for a gunsmith.
The Savage is a very good buy for a solid no nonsense gun that will shoot and can be easily customized by the owner. In the last few years Savage has been listening to what customers want and quality have made dramatic improvements. Sadly Remington quality the last few years has been hit or miss hopefully the new owners will bring them around. I am not a Savage guy or a Remington guy my gun safes house many different brands, I am a gun guy!

Boys,boys...calm down, if you're not careful, you'll prove my point. OK, ok, you have the most accurate rifle...happy now? Remington wouldn't even make a good crutch.
C'mon guys, do you not think other people buy and shoot rifles? Do you not think that if one brand truly made the best rifle and most accurate rifle that the secret wouldn't get out?
Let's do some supposin. Suppose I actually know a little bit about rifles, maybe even a little about Savages. It's possible I know Savage button rifles their barrels. You know it right? It's possible I know Remington button rifles their barrels...but did you know that? It's possible Mike Walker at Remington kinda perfected the art of button barrels back in the 40's...surprised? It's possible I sell a rifle on occasion and when I do, I try to be helpful. Helpful means being honest. No rabid foaming opinion, just the truth. I don't tell them who makes the best or most accurate rifle because I don't know myself...and I handle guns just about everyday.

Instead of trying to get anybody foamed up again, I will try to be helpful, Ok. There is no accurate factory rifle. Some shoot better than others, even from the same companies but nobody can lay claim to best. People buy rifles based on features they like, how they feel and price, it's that simple. Some do want accuracy and go about searching for the best but they often find that to be a dead end street or they may buy one or two and declare their choice to be the ultimate but who are they really trying to convince? A truly accurate rifle is hand built, money is spent everyday to achieve this end and competitions are held all over the country to see who has succeeded.

I have spooled out a Remington on occasion for someone. Is it best, nope. Is it easy, yep. Gunsmiths love Remington actions, they're round and just beg to be stuck in a lathe. It takes more time to true up the chuck than it does to cut the steel. Like everything else, cost come into play. Once again the factories fall short even on actions. For several dollars more, we can discuss a Bat or Stiller or whoever action and of course time. Can take time to locate and order one of these guys. Next you have to pick a barrel. Man, a whole nother argument. Who makes the best barrel? It aint Savage or Remington. Is it Shilen, Boyer does ok with them. I like Shilen, have a couple but I have better long range result with Krieger but others will tell you something else. Another issue with no agrreement in sight.

In other words, nobody knows who makes the best most accurate anything...is that hard to understand? NO, none, nadda one factory has laid claim yet and never will because opinions and experiences differ too much. I won my first competitive event in factory class with a varmint barreled Ruger model 77. That rifle is down home in Dad's gunsafe, it's not for sale. The worst shooter I ever bought was .270 Ruger model 77, $355 dollars. Now, one last bit of truth. Every manufacturer does this. They all suffer from production problems. They all get a load of wormy barrel steel. They all have repair and warrantee departments for a reason and they all employ humans.

I'm not trying to kick you guys, just trying to make some sense for you. Buy what you like and be happy. Who are you really trying to convice about your most accurate rifle? Yourselves maybe? You're not going to convince me. That makes if just an argument that serves what purpose? I figure if I try to push my opinion to hard on some guy and he gets a lemon, I'm kinda partly responsible for that. It's simple and truthful to just say "buy what you like". They all build good rifles and some not so good.

woah jeez the nobel peace prize goes to you, um no rifle is perfectf rom the factory, but some companies doe have better accuracy than others, and take more care in creating a product, and its nice to know stories form the common man than a gun dealer, some people just like to hear opinions, and some poeple are very faithful in their rifle choice, so i say let the age old bickering contest continue, mine is better than urs, plus if u have 7 savage lovers out of ten people and 2 cz's and 1 ruger id say go with a savage, because it has the better odds, remington could be the only rifle company left on earth and poeple would still say srew remington, cuz they had bad luck with them

I'll expect the check. Odds huh? OK, odds, Who sells the most rifles? Must be Savage right? Using your own logic here, the greatest number sold is the best? Appears to me many people should research stuff, facts are always better for arguments and inquiring minds want to know.
You boys really should read what I said. I offered another choice. Happens all the time. Did I step on Savage? Do some people need some type of group reassurance? I really don't understand this complex. It's funny but I don't get it. Why is it so important to you guys to knock other brands and try to glorify your own? Seriously boys, I don't care what you buy and I'll play and argue with you but I get the feeling some get a little carried away with this stuff and offer a weak defense of non existant facts. My old hide is pretty thick, not much rattles me, I do however have an honery streak and like to argue and share opinions. I would rather do it with people who can hold their own with facts, good logic and honesty.


Tell you what, read up on Savage, Remington or any brand you choose. Telling me Savage uses button barrels cause they're the best without having a clue about Remington's button machines got a chuckle but it re-enforces my point about internet shooters instead of people actually spending time on trigger. Go out and actually shoot all these rifles. Internet horse pooky don't count. Instead of trying to convince people of how many junky rifles you owned before you achieved zen, experience what you speak of. Telling me you owned, pick any number,
of one brand before you saw the light only makes me question your intelligence. I may be a slow learner but If a dog bites me a couple of times, I won't pet him no mo. Searching the net or reading the forums is a great way to get opinions and look for information, do it myself all the time. But that is just a guide, a starting point, then it's up to you or me to sort through the material and decide and experience for ourselves. Remember, WorldCom and Enron are great investments, they must be cause 7 out 10 said so!</P>
There it is....crush me with facts, beat me down and make me say uncle. Make me see the light and buy a Savage. I'll keep checking back cause I just love a good hair pullin contest.

Lumberjak, I agree with what you are saying but it is how you said it that got some peoples feathers ruffled. You seem to be the one taking offense to all this but you were also the person who got it all started....with this "internet accurate rifle" talk. No one was even talking about Remingtons until you posted. He wanted to get opinions to two different models of Savages and this thing got way off the topic real fast which is unfortunate for the guy who posted the original question. The bottom line is people become brand loyal because of their success with a purchase of a given product. It happens with shooters in regard to guns, fisherman in regard to boat or motor brand, and even just in general such as the old dreaded Ford vs. Chevy debate. It is just human nature.

Howdy Range Junkie. I assure you I rarely get offended unless someone actually tries to make it personal. I will respond to your point and in a gentlemanly fashion ok. I offered another alternative right? I can't count the number of times that a clear...very clear....question was asked and someone offered another alternative. You know this is a fact? If a question involves brand x and someone suggests brand y, most of the time it is absorbed in the post right? I don't feel the need to get offended or try and defend any brand normally. I have taken one or to task for printing malarky but that's about it and even that was not brand specific. I don't care if it's a Sako or a BB gun, rumors don't have much value.

Now think about this. I have to be specific here. If the question had been about a Remington and someone suggested a look at Savage, Browning or CZ, would this runaway flood of how my rifle is best and yours is junk taken place. Be honest, would have probably been different huh? Do Remington owners have more self confidence? Do they cry puddles over some perceived injustice? Do they just take it with a grain of salt and go on? Most of the time? Heck, forget Remington, would any other brand owner make a wrinkle? Probably not? So why Savage...interesting don't you think?

Brand loyalty is ok I guess. I am as loyal to most brands as they are to me. In other words, I want my moneys worth or I'll be loyal to some other brand.

Ford and Chevy....I owned a dozen Chevys and they were all junk so now I own only Fords. Do you see a weakness in that statement? Did I need to buy so many before my lightbulb came on? Why do we need to knock one brand to elevate the status of another? I buy the products that prove themselves to me. I shop, compare, ask question and then buy. If it's no good, I get rid of it and start over and I'm a little smarter than a rock. You sell me junk once or twice and our business is over.

I was gonna wait to mention this but what the heck. I may be the only one enjoying this but here goes. What is the difference between me defending Remington and someone defending Savage other than it's not your point of view....let that sink in. I am the poor lone defender here against an armada of Savage shooter and I'm enjoying myself, sippin a scotch and doing my taxes.

Range Junky, could you define "sub MOA groups all day long" are you saying that you could fire 100 shots or so in a row and maintain sub MOA ?

Either way you go I think you will have a rifle that will print sub MOA groups all day long

i want to thank everyone that has posted on here for all the great info. i wasnt looking for this thread to become a "brand loyalty" thread. i have weapons of all makes but have to say im fairly loyal to remington. i dont try to let this factor into the decision tho when im making a decision on buying a gun because i believe in buying what i believe is the best gun for the money. don't have a savage yet and many of my buddies tell me im missing out. looked at the 700 sps varmint and 12 fv both and both fit well. i like the savage for several reasons: 1) accu trigger has got rave reviews and appears to be easily adjustable (easier than the remington in my opinion), 2) all the dealers i have went to sell the savages for less, 3) dont have one yet, and the ones i have looked at fit well so y not try something new? i know the old saying if it ain't broke don't fix it, but in this case i dont think i am going to get any worse gone than the remington, however, it may not be better. these are just my personal opinions and i wasnt trying to play the brand loyalty card or say that one brand is better than another. this is strictly personal preference and the excitement of expanding my knowledge of different brands by getting a brand i dont yet have.

Well woodsman, sometimes you ask a question and people go crazy:D And to drive you even more crazy, I'm going to tell you to buy the one you like. Brand loyalty is strange stuff sometimes. I am one little insignificant customer to any company, they know it and I know it. If I run up and down the street screaming my Ford truck is the best brand, what do I get. Exactly...nuthin! Don't mean I won't buy another one but I'll still keep my hand on my wallet. Wonder who does build the best truck, of the millions out there, a clear winner should have surfaced by now...right:p

I gotta tell you the truth woodsman, I've tried several times to understand this phenomena. In the end, you have to just shake the dice and roll. I've never seen any real data but if you take all the numbers sold, I bet you would see close to equal percentages of happy and unhappy people. The weird thing that is hard to explain about the Savage band wagon is the sheer numbers of claimants. It is so common, I figured it was true, certainly made me want to check into one. I was ready to buy one but I got the opportunity to shoot one at the range. It's common at the range I hold a membership to for us to visit and shoot each others rifles. The very model I was interested in happened to appear, a 12BVSS, so I jumped on it. I shot it right next to my Remington 700P, both in .223. I couldn't find much wrong with that Savage, not a bad rifle in truth but it simply did not outshoot my old Remmy. The biggest difference in these two rifles was price. Did Remington outshoot it by over $200? That's a lot of money, I would say no, not $200 bucks worth. Did I like my Remmy better by $200...yes I do. I get good accuracy from a factory rig, the bolt is smooth and tight, I liked my trigger better and it feels right. Do I feel I got my moneys worth, yep, even $200 more. That guy has since rebarreled that Savage, really does shoot good now...but guess what happened to that price difference...uh huh, it's gone. He still likes his rifle and he doesn't like Remington and that's fine with me but he never runs at me with that my rifle will outshoot your rifle cause he knows I'll slide Binky out of the case...I can rebarrel a rifle too ya know and he'll buy lunch again.

Try the Savage woodsman, I doubt you'll be disappointed, but buy it because you like it and want one, not out of fear that other brands won't measure up.

again, i would like to thank everyone for the excellent input given here. i think i am going to buy a savage 10 fp and put a burris 2 piece base on it with a tasco 2.5-10 x 42 scope on it. purchase is prolly about 2 months away but i love to be an informed buyer. anyone see any problems with this setup? also with the 1:10 twist rate is it likely there will be a problem with consistency from a 150 powerpoint from winchester. (i like winchester ammo, as it has always provided very consistent shooting for me and is very affordable).

forgot to mention burris rings also

again, i would like to thank everyone for the excellent input given here. i think i am going to buy a savage 10 fp and put a burris 2 piece base on it with a tasco 2.5-10 x 42 scope on it. purchase is prolly about 2 months away but i love to be an informed buyer. anyone see any problems with this setup? also with the 1:10 twist rate is it likely there will be a problem with consistency from a 150 powerpoint from winchester. (i like winchester ammo, as it has always provided very consistent shooting for me and is very affordable).

Hi woodsman. Nothing wrong with your rifle choice and scope hardware but I don't know about Tasco scopes. What is your scope budget?

Hey Gentlemen,
Again let me say from my experience, and it may not me as much as some of you, but my money will be well spent on Savages not Remingtons. 5 years ago I'd not be saying this. My three latest Savages, two with factory barrels out shoot my buddies Remingtons right out of the box stock. I still believe that everyone should shoot what they want or makes them happy. A lot of this shooting game is mental, so shoot what you think gives you the edge. Good Shootin' to All teele1

my budget for glass is about 100-150$ i can probably swing 150 but would rather keep it around 100. the farthest i will be shooting is about 400 yards and that will be rarely. i wanted to put a some decent glass on it until i could swing a better scope...maybe a leupold or something. this fit my budget and what i was looking for if anyone has any suggestions for around 100$ ill listen. bob suggested the cabelas pine ridge scopes...still considering these. i like the 2.5-10x adjustability tho. im looking for something around this power range and nothing less than 3-9x range.

You may want to look at a Muller Scope, that would be in your price range and the glass is surprisingly good, they can hold their own against some of the much more expensive scopes.

This guy here has fast free shipping http://www.mizzoumuleguns.com/id12.html

thanks for the suggestion on the mueller scopes. ive never heard of these but they seem to fit what im looking for. the site that you offered is a little hard to navigate and somewhat confusing. are there any other sites that have a good selection of mueller's? also what model or models are recommended?

http://www.muelleroptics.com/ has all of the scopes and pricing what do you intend to do with the rifle? The 3X10X44 would probably be what you want in a .308 unless you are target or long range hunting. If you decide to get one mizzoumuleguns doesn't charge shipping.