Hello, quick and easy question.

What is the difference between the black box Wolf ammo and their Military classic? In particular the 7.62X39. Other than 2 grains of weight on the bullet, whats the diff?:confused:

In terms of performance, there is practically no difference between the two. In terms of reloading, Wolf Military Classic is loaded with laquered steel cases and Berdan primers whereas Black Box uses copper washed steel cases with Berdan primers neither of which can be reloaded according to a Cheaper Than Dirt brochure which I received yesterday. Wolf ammunition comes from Russia where the Berdan primer is commonly used. We, on the other hand, commonly use the boxer primer so if Wolf reloadable brass cases are what you want, purchase Wolf Gold ammo.

I was just looking at Wolf ammunition and I suppose that if you never had any intention of reloading, you could certainly save a few bucks per box, but it seems to me that if you shoot a lot it just wouldn't make sense to buy non-reloadable ammo. Your reloading setup would pay for itself in a short amount of time.

I was just looking at Wolf ammunition and I suppose that if you never had any intention of reloading, you could certainly save a few bucks per box, but it seems to me that if you shoot a lot it just wouldn't make sense to buy non-reloadable ammo. Your reloading setup would pay for itself in a short amount of time.

If you buy the Wolf in bulk, it's in the neighborhood of .20 per round. Unless you cast your own bullets, .20/round for 7.62x39 is cheaper than you can make your own ammo for. Bullets alone run about .16 each in bulk.

I used to reload for my SKS, but since the recent rise of cost in components, I've given up and will shoot the cheap Russian stuff until the situation changes.

With an AK and SKS the brass seems to get ejected into never-never land 7.62X39 and 5.45X39 are the only calibers I don't reload for that I own firearms in.

I can understand the economics of the Russian and Eastern Bloc ammo.

Will state that the defective ammo can at our gunrange is mostly filled with these types as compared to US brands.

Also, since the steel cases aren't reloaded, most of the shooters using it don't feel compelled to clean up the stuff and tend to leave it scattered all over the range for others to do so. Notice the MOST qualifier. I'm sure I'll get an earfull from all the users on the board on how they always clean up their mess. We certainly thank you for it, too. :D

I can understand the economics of the Russian and Eastern Bloc ammo.

Will state that the defective ammo can at our gunrange is mostly filled with these types as compared to US brands.

Also, since the steel cases aren't reloaded, most of the shooters using it don't feel compelled to clean up the stuff and tend to leave it scattered all over the range for others to do so. Notice the MOST qualifier. I'm sure I'll get an earfull from all the users on the board on how they always clean up their mess. We certainly thank you for it, too. :D

Hey Kdub, I just wanted to clarify something. At my local range they have a sign up that says all brass on ground is their property. Since most of the range officers there are pretty much drill sergeants :mad: I make sure not to even look like I'm reaching down to pick up the brass on the ground. Any that are left on my bench I do throw in the bucket though.
Now, my question, what is the proper etiquette as it relates to brass at the range? Or does it vary?

Dunno about your range or others. At our range, any brass left laying on the concrete or out in the dirt in front of the line is fair game for anyone who wants it. Otherwise, it gets swept up and dumped into the salvage barrels we keep for scrap brass, after sorting out the #4@*& steel cases (which get unceremoniously dumped in the trash dumpster). This gets picked up by a salvager when several 55 gallon drums are full and hauled off for $1.40/lb. He states it all goes to China for re-smelting.

Most ranges I know of say your brass is yours if you pick it up.