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Black tail
02-24-2008, 08:40 AM
I'd say we all need to send mass emails to him but he is so blind that it would do no good.

It has been a particularly grim and bloody month on one of the world's great killing fields - the United States of America.On Friday, Los Angeles paused for the largest police funeral in its history when it buried Officer Randal Simmons, a 51-year-old father of two and the Los Angeles Police Department's first SWAT team member to die in the line of duty. Simmons was shot dead and Officer James Veenstra was badly wounded when they - along with others in their unit - rushed into a home where a disturbed young man had killed three members of his family and was believed to be holding others hostage.
A bit farther up the coast in Oxnard last week, an eighth-grader walked into a classroom and fatally shot a classmate in the head, apparently because the boy was gay.

On Thursday, at Northern Illinois University, a graduate student walked into a lecture hall, shot five students to death and wounded 16 other people before committing suicide.

There have been three other campus shootings since Feb. 8, including one at Louisiana Technical College, where a woman shot two students to death before killing herself.
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<!-- END /PubSys/AdComponents/button3.comp --> Earlier in the month, a gunman in Kirkwood, Mo., burst into a City Council meeting, killed five people and wounded the town's mayor. A few days before that, a gunman herded five women in a suburban Chicago clothing store into a back room and shot them all to death in what authorities believe was a botched robbery.All these wrenchingly tragic crimes are linked by a common factor - the ubiquity of guns in America. Given that we're in the midst of the most hotly contested presidential campaign in recent memory, you'd think that all this bloodletting might become a campaign issue. If you thought that, you'd have reckoned without regard to the gun lobby's near-total victory among the politicians of both political parties. The Second Amendment fundamentalists who cluster around the National Rifle Association are the most successful single-issue constituency in modern American politics.

The truth is that guns make the malicious, the malcontent and the mad powerful. They confer the power of life and death on the demented and deranged - and yet we do nothing. There are more guns circulating in the U.S. today than ever, somewhere around 250 million, according to projections by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

The only one of the candidates who even nodded to the Illinois college massacre was Sen. Barack Obama, who happens to vote an easy drive from the campus. Campaigning Friday in Wisconsin, he said his "prayers" were with the victims and their families, then quickly added that he believes the Second Amendment confers an "individual right" to gun ownership.

The reason for that bob and weave is that the latter point is the gun lobby's current cause celebre. Over the years, 11 of the 13 federal appellate districts have held that Second Amendment rights are collective, pertaining, as the Constitution says, to the maintenance of "a well ordered militia." Recently, however, a court in the District of Columbia struck down that jurisdiction's handgun ban, ruling that the Second Amendment confers individual rights to gun ownership. The case - District of Columbia v. Heller - is before the U.S Supreme Court. Vice President Dick Cheney, 55 senators and 250 members of the House have filed a brief supporting the individual rights position to which Obama hastened to show such deference.

It isn't as if our lawmakers aren't willing to do something to protect our students. Twelve state legislatures - those in Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Washington - are considering bills that would allow students who obtain concealed-weapons permits to carry guns on campus. Presumably, they'll only fire in self-defense.

Confronted with this sort of social idiocy, it's hard to know whether to chortle or choke.

How many times can we really stomach another politician telling us - as Obama did Friday and President Bush did after Virginia Tech - that their "prayers" are with the victims of that day's gun-inflicted atrocity? Prayers won't bring the dead back or make the living safer. Our children don't need prayers; they need leaders with a modicum of moral courage.
Nobody is asking anybody to commit political suicide. But it would be better than edifying to watch just one of these dreary temporizers exhibit a fraction of the courage Randal Simmons, James Veenstra and their comrades showed when they put themselves at risk for people they believed were hostage to violence.

At the moment, we are a nation held hostage by the pandemic of gun violence. We need leaders brave enough to admit that, and to offer our children something more than a collective shrug and the chance to join the arms race that has made our school campuses a killing ground.



Timothy Rutten is a columnist for the Los Angeles Times. Readers can e--mail him at timothy.rutten@latimes.com

hpdrifter
02-24-2008, 09:05 AM
Pressure. Pressure in this capitalist society causes most of the violence. You almost have to have $4-5000 a month coming in to exist next to the Jones and to get to work. New laws are made almost daily to tighten the thumb clamps. If you protest, you're a disgruntled something or other. It's gettin so you need a college education to flip burgers.( a little exaggeration) The government grows by leaps and bounds, more rules. Schools and organizations institute "NO Tolerance". Lawyers, judges, and juries twist the legal system way outta sorts. Representatives represent special interest groups more than the people.

People get diswrought.

I say, be a nicer society, loosen the noose a bit, and let people breathe. Some of the violence may subside. I said "may".

Punish the malicious; try to help the malcontent, and listen; I say listen, not rubberstamp, to the mad.

Good_Steward
02-24-2008, 09:06 AM
I don't think he understands that organizations like the NRA and GOA are so successful because WE THE PEOPLE mean for them to be! The crooked politicians won't listen to my one small opinion alone, but they will listen to the collective voice of the millions of legitimate, law abiding gun owners in these United States! And what a powerful singular voice that is; 4 million gun owning Americans who believe the Constitution of the United States of America means EXACTLY what it says, not open to interpretation, much like the people who defend it!

In case these people forgot, this great country is here because of people who were private citizens taking up their weapons for freedom!

They have the right to the 1st amendment, because men with guns fought and died for that right! I'm sure that they didn't believe they were dying for a collective right of anything that the government could control and allocate or take away on a whim.

If guns were completely outlawed, these crazy ***holes that are causing this mayhem WOULD STILL HAVE GUNS. They are CRIMINALS , and the very definition of a criminal is that he breaks the law!!! How hard is that to understand??

I will continue to practice my right to keep and bear arms to defend my family and myself from the people who would do us harm, no matter what some Communist Republic of Kalifornia newspaper reporter thinks.


But what do I know ?

flashhole
02-24-2008, 12:19 PM
Black Tail - It wasn't clear to me what you are asserting in your post.

Guns can kill when the user is bent on doing bad things but so can cars, drugs, bad habits, and lots of other things too. Guns get attention in the news, a disproportionate amount in my opinion, and Lord knows we have enough gun laws on the books to protect the public. I would really like to see enforcement of the existing laws (gun laws and others like drunk driving and dealing drugs) and for society to adopt an eye for an eye attitude when dealing with criminals. A big part of the problem is our society has relieved the individual of self responsibility and accountability. It may sound extremist but I would even be in favor of public executions as a deterant to violent crime. Hang them, drug them, electrocute them, put them in front of a firing squad, it makes no difference how they die but it would sure deliver a message to those comtemplating committing a violent crime. I'm watching closely the case about the guy in Texas who envoked his interpretation of the Castle Docterine and killed the two illegal aliens who were burglarizing his neighbors home in broad daylight, one of them was armed. Notice I didn't say undocumented immigrants, those guys were criminals just by virture of the fact they are in our country illegally. They set the precidence. Maybe their actions didn't warrant death but their illegal activity didn't get a chance to play out to anything more serious either. If the guy who shot them is let off (and I hope he is) it will forever change our society.........and I think for the better. This case may go all the way to the Supreme Court.

faucettb
02-24-2008, 12:25 PM
The best I can get out of this is the post was meant to highlight a newspaper article by a writer that blacktail didn't agree with and blacktail was trying to get folks to send their negative comments to the writer whose email address was posted at the bottom of the page. I think.

This falls to much on the political side for me along with not being understandable and I'm closing the thread.