Last night I saw on CNN that the Swiss have made the world's smallest revolver. The people they interviewed said that it was going to cause havoc worldwide due its deadliness and concealability.

The revolver is 5.5 cm long and fires a proprietary 2.34 mm rimfire cartridge. The 1.97 gr bullet velocity is about 399 fps. Naturally, I was concerned for world safety, so I ran some numbers on the ballistics.

It generates about .7 Ft Lbs at the muzzle. The bullet sectional density is .033

This performance would be pathetic in a .177 CO2 pistol. I think the world will be safe from this latest scourge.

Here is the web page of the manufacturer:

www.swissminigun.com/home.html (http://www.swissminigun.com/home.html)

Are you kiddin me?????

http://www.swissminigun.com/img/rev_main.jpg

And the "bling-bling" version:
http://www.swissminigun.com/img/gal_or_diam_6.jpg

How would one manipulate that with enough dexterity to hit anything other than yer own hand?

Yet another proof that there are folks out there with way more money than brains.

I saw those ballistics and wondered why anyone would put that POS on any kind of list that mentions dangerous............. How do you pull the trigger without shooting your own hand not to mention aiming it?
I'd might get angry if someone shot me with something like that.
Let's see the ballistic gelatin test through a couple layers of denim...heh, heh.....
I couldn't imagine someone pulling that out and not expecting a good laugh.

A paintball travels at 200 MPH.............

It is a very interesting exercise in miniature machine work, it appears to be beautifully made. Crazy that some would get worked up about the lethality of it.

It is a very interesting exercise in miniature machine work, it appears to be beautifully made. Crazy that some would get worked up about the lethality of it.

You're right about that, it IS a nice piece of work. But it's a toy. A dangerous toy, yes, but only to the bozo that's trying to fire it.

hmmm.....would it work on killer houseflies?

Would suggest all the square corners be rounded and a jar of vaseline accompany each purchase - just in case, ya know! :p

You'll shoot your eye out!! A familiar line from one of the movie classics, "A Christmas Story". Ralphy-boy could use one of these for Schwartz.

The TV media news report I saw had the female talking head quite concerned about this dangerous weapon that could kill a person. Additionally, she was concerned about how easy it would be for terrorists to bring those "weapons" into the U.S..

My first thought was if you ever shot me with that and I found out about it, I'd be appropriately irritated for at aleast a couple minutes.

I've shot myself with a BB gun, being stupid, many years ago.

Like Dan says.... that's about the level of danger I'd associate with this thing.

:rolleyes:

The TV media news report I saw had the female talking head quite concerned about this dangerous weapon that could kill a person. Additionally, she was concerned about how easy it would be for terrorists to bring those "weapons" into the U.S..

My first thought was if you ever shot me with that and I found out about it, I'd be appropriately irritated for at aleast a couple minutes.

That's too funny !

Attacker : "Give me your wallet, or you're gonna get it with my super duper swiss mini man killer"

Victim : " Boy, you shoot me with that cap gun, and I'll slap the teeth outta your mouth"


Run for the hills! The Jihadists have a concealeable super weapon!!

Exactly GS;

sombody shot me with that I'd put a beating on them so bad they'd wish they'd shot themselves.....
but then again, for those that CCW, reasonable justification to shoot back..... :D

The more I think about this, the more it irritates me. This goes far beyond the novelty of some stupid keychain gun. Once again, this is the liberal media attacking one of our freedoms. Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I would venture to say that over the course of history there have been at least as many lives ruined by some idiot practicing their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to free speech as there have been from gun violence. How many times has some erronous, slanderous attack been made on someone in the United States, front page news even, and then later make a withdrawal on the bottom right hand corner of the last page of that same publication?

I don't see any calls from these people to limit free speech. Why am I seeing the attack on the 2nd Amendment?
Once again, if it weren't for men with guns standing up for what they believe in, the right to throw the shackles of tyranny off of us, these panty waist individual freedom hating socialist bleeding heart liberals would not have their right to judge us openly in the "court of public opinion".


I WILL NOT be told that I can not practice my GOD GIVEN right to defend my person and my family by any means necessary. The 2nd amendment only confirms that right.


Sorry for my rant, my friends, but there are over 80 MILLION gun owners in the U.S.A., I bet there aren't that many gun grabbers or they would have had their way by now. Stand up and be counted people! It's our duty to make sure that our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS are not infringed. Any of them.

And your points are on the mark and valid GS, but in these days of liberal talking head newscasters, that just sit and read copy from a tele-prompter, thais is what we have to live with. The likes of you and I can rant about it, the fairness of it, but that and a bag of chips will get us on the next bus....:rolleyes:
We as gun owners, although 80 mill. strong, are a "minority", due to the ad-nauseum news spin on bad guns-bad people....

but hey, we all already are aware of this......so let's not get too political on this one...

by the way, I have deceided to CCW one of those guns we had as kids that shot the flying discs....figure I could get more effective range against of of those mini guns.....or use this mini gun against that one...


Might be tough to conceal tho....LOL



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I'll stick with my 30.06 crayola load.

I'll stick with my 30.06 crayola load.

Can you quote a load recipe and some ballistics on those?:D I wonder if the bigger ones would chamber in a 45-70?

Clearly, WE all know this is simply the offhoot (pun intended) of Swiss watchmaking skills. They do this with many common objects.

It also clearly illustrates not only the complete anti-gun slant of the media but also their complete ignorance of the subject. To them ANYTHING even shaped like a gun is dangerously lethal.

By the way, I did a swiss frans to dollar conversions after looking at their website. I couldn't make this stuff up, they want $6,647.48 for one of those things. They really have replicated a revolver quite well on such a small scale. Rocky, I agree 100% with both of your statements.

From the content of the replies, I am glad to see that logical thinking is still a living art in America. I see so much outrageous lunacy these days on the web and in the media, I fear I am starting to look like a Parkinson's patient from my head shaking back and forth every day.

Some of you will remember the Black Talon "Cop Killer" bullet that was banned before it was released to market. Not one person had ever been shot with that bullet, let alone a law enforcement officer. Yet the anti-firearms people and their willing apologist media dove in feet first. In that case the media never looked back; there was no correction on the back page stating that no cop was ever killed with the cop killer bullet. The bullet is legal for us regular people to be shot with it by the cops, though.

There is also the .50 BMG Barrett rifle. The same people and media went crazy, crying as shrilly as possible that they needed to get them off the streets or everyone was going to die from criminals sneaking them around. Never mind that the thing is over 4.5 feet long, weighs 30 pounds, and costs over $7000 dollars.

The list goes on and on, and now we are having one of the coldest winters on record. There is not a peep out of Al Gore or the media commentators about global warming. I suppose they are waiting for Spring to get that band wagon back rolling again. The horror of it is that people will still believe the propaganda as they nurse back to health from frostbite.

I sometimes wonder if I should just give up hope, but then I remember I live in Alaska, not California. We have a radio ad literally warning criminals to think twice about victimizing Alaskans because we are carrying.

From the content of the replies, I am glad to see that logical thinking is still a living art in America. I see so much outrageous lunacy these days on the web and in the media, I fear I am starting to look like a Parkinson's patient from my head shaking back and forth every day.

Some of you will remember the Black Talon "Cop Killer" bullet that was banned before it was released to market. Not one person had ever been shot with that bullet, let alone a law enforcement officer. Yet the anti-firearms people and their willing apologist media dove in feet first. In that case the media never looked back; there was no correction on the back page stating that no cop was ever killed with the cop killer bullet. The bullet is legal for us regular people to be shot with it by the cops, though.
The one I "loved" was the "Lethal Weapon" movie sequel that was focused around that subject. They portrayed those "Cop Killer" bullets as being virtually unstoppable by anything. There was a scene where in a moment of desparation, Riggs (Mel Gibson) grabs and Uzi or Mac-10 loaded with Cop Killer ammo and perforates the offending bad guy who is about to crush him with a payloader...THROUGH the payloader bucket. Right. :rolleyes: (Might have just been a bulldozer - I remember it as a payloader, although ultimately it's just as impossible either way.)

Just a thought, but is there any way possible that little micro-revolver could be deadly to anyone? I mean, it seems to me that if you got shot it would do little more than sting you and make you say, "ouch".

...Just a thought, but is there any way possible that little micro-revolver could be deadly to anyone? I mean, it seems to me that if you got shot it would do little more than sting you and make you say, "ouch".

My understanding is that anything traveling over 300 FPS can potentially penetrate into a human being dangerously. I also understand that in order to do so, a projectile needs a certain amount of sectional density. I don't believe .033 SD is enough.

A .177 lead ball has .036 SD and 3 FtLbs energy at 399 FPS. That would be the ballistics of a rather mild pellet gun. The tiny revolver has nearly an order of magnitude less energy to play around with. I believe that anyone would be extremely hard-pressed to get one of that revolver's bullets into a vital organ of a person.

Seems improbable, but every once in awhile you hear of a BB from a C02 powered gun killing someone. Usually it has a bit more velocity than the micro-revolver produces and has to strike the temple just right or happen to enter at the right angle to tear the carotid artery open. The shooter and victim both really have to have all their luck turned off that day. No way to make it happen on purpose, AFAIK.


I'm still trying to figure out how to get a finger inside that little trigger guard to take advantage of the double-action mechanism?

My understanding is that anything traveling over 300 FPS can potentially penetrate into a human being dangerously. I also understand that in order to do so, a projectile needs a certain amount of sectional density. I don't believe .033 SD is enough.

A .177 lead ball has .036 SD and 3 FtLbs energy at 399 FPS. That would be the ballistics of a rather mild pellet gun. The tiny revolver has nearly an order of magnitude less energy to play around with. I believe that anyone would be extremely hard-pressed to get one of that revolver's bullets into a vital organ of a person.
On top of that one has to figure the dramatic decrease of energy that such a small, light projectile would have at anything more than point-blank range. Heck, even at point-blank range. You would almost have to press that little thing right up against someone before pulling the trigger if you expected it to penetrate at all.

I'm still trying to figure out how to get a finger inside that little trigger guard to take advantage of the double-action mechanism?

If you look closely, you can see that the entire trigger guard is the trigger. The trigger is a solid piece of the trigger guard and there is a spur on the front of the "trigger guard" to give the trigger finger purchase.