Picked up a CHEAP mouse gun/pocket pistol/punk gun on www.auctionarms.com (http://www.auctionarms.com) search under:8600425 for pics of this BEAUTY. For $51, I'm tickled pink to get my next backup gun. After taking the gun home, I gave it a make over, taking it down,cleaning and lubeing and then sanding the metal parts, re-blueing them and reassembling this little devil. At the range at 3 and 7 yds with American Eagle 50 grain TMJ 25acp ammo,the gun functioned flawlessly. I even got lucky with some real tight groups on head and groin shots,emptying the 6 round magazine super fast. I understand there are some ammo makers that make some personal defense ammo in 25 acp softpoints and hollowpoints,under 50 grains. Am wondering if a FMJ, heavier/slower round @ 50gr would actually penetrate better?

The .25 ACP is not much of a penetrator and if it will function reliably through 200 rounds of the American Eagle 50 grain TMJ 25acp ammo, then that’s what I would use in it. My experience with automatics is that in the smaller, less powerful calibers, you need penetration above expansion. Reliable feeding of the ammo is paramount in a personal defense weapon.

i carried a 25 titan for years.. that little pistol would put its load thru a 55 gallon barrel..
i saw that and gave 50 bucks for it 35 or more yrs ago..its still here but i lost the recoil spring out of it so had to fix it best i could..still shoots tho .;) congrats on geting it..i think its a dang good little pistol ,and mine never would have put a round that went around the skull on a head shot..mabe some 25s but not that little titan..wish mine was still in good shape..

I would suggest penetration right after function..
function first... sounds like it shoots really good for you, too... I bet it will be good to know it is there on occasion..
nice to see someone tell it like it is and not feel the gun has to be a very expensive or super round or something... I am ok with a really small round also, as long as the gun puts em where I look and is easy to use from and in concealment and shoots every time all the time.. after that it is just preference and circumstance..
dk

I would suggest penetration right after function..
function first... sounds like it shoots really good for you, too... I bet it will be good to know it is there on occasion..
nice to see someone tell it like it is and not feel the gun has to be a very expensive or super round or something... I am ok with a really small round also, as long as the gun puts em where I look and is easy to use from and in concealment and shoots every time all the time.. after that it is just preference and circumstance..
dk

Also took my chrome and wood $100.00 pimp Raven P25(6 rounds) and $229.00 Taurus PT25(9+1 rounds) to the range.Both pistols just hammered a silhouette's head,COM and groin with tight groups at 7+ yds,using Winchester FMJ, 50 grain and Federal/American Eagle TMJ 50 grain ammo. These 2 guns & the Titan functioned 100% and fired off rounds very fast. After reading another post here on the new Ruger 380 pocket gun,it made me remember that just in the last 3 years,a lot of folks were saying that the 25acps, 32 acps and 380s were a waste of time for concealed carry.Granted, marketing is at play here,but guns sell for a lot of reasons and it seems to me that the effectiveness of these 3 calibers is a major reason for their proliferation in the market.And, no,it's just not women that are buying these little beasts. When I read that RUGER is making a KEL TEC clone and not vice versa, that says something for the P3AT, et al.

I've enjoyed playing with .25's. Do agree with the argument that penetration is the most important factor. Just isn't enough energy to have bth reasonable penetration AND good expansion; can get some bullets to expand but at too great a cost in pennetration.

Just for fun,and basement practice (esp. with that easy to barrel load P25).

A primed case (no powder charge at all) and a #3 buckshot forced into the case to the mid line of the ball. If you had access to .25cal airgun pellets, can drop on down the barrel, then a primed case behind it.

I bought one of these, too. Mine has been great, up until the last trip to the range. It had a few function problems. Not as in feeding, but as in the hammer doing strange things.

I also like pocket guns because they fit nicely in your vehicle's glove box or console,making them readily accessible. In Texas,where I live, one is allowed by State Law to have a loaded & concealed handgun in the motor vehicles(includes motorcycles) that one owns.It's a warm,fuzzy feeling to have a little popper in the car with you,while stopped at a red light, or in a parking lot, while out on the open road or in an unfamiliar part of town.

about a year ago my soon to be wife whent to the gunstore and with out my knowlege purchased a Colt vestpocket 25acp. At first I told here she wasted her money. But shortly there after i found myself grabbing it from the safe. My idea of a CCW has changed over the past 5 years I have been carrying a gun. My opinion is that you must know the capabilities and limitations of your firearm. if I put 5 or 6 .25 acp sluggs in you its going to slow you down. if they are neck or head hits i dont think it matters. I work in corrections for a sherrifs office one of our patrol deputies always carried a S&W 642 the same modle I carry 90% of the time and he also carried a Keltec .32 off duty on duty he carried them plus his G21. He was at a local gas station and a kid came in with a knife and attempted to rob the place. The office snuck up behind the kid with his S&W drawn once the cleark saw the cop he hit the deck the kid realizing something was wrong swong around real fast cutting the officers right hand and wrist. It turns out the kid was a martial arts guru. essential what he did is a tecnique called "defanging the snake" he then stabbed the officer he tried to get him in the solar plexes area fortunately the officer quickly turned and the knife sunk in at an angle and not directly in. it was grusome it litteraly just went under the skin and cut a flap you could se his abb mussles if you lifted up the flap. The kid then sprung backwards and took an aggressive stance screming I am going to kill you. At this time the officer fell to his knees as if he was dying and quickly drew his keltec from an ankle holster with his left hand. The kid charged the office openfired. The kid stopped in his tracks and tried to run out bleeding everyware. as he turned to run the office fired two more rounds at his leggs striking him in the knee. The kid flopped kicked a few time cried for mommy and died before the ambulance could arrive. The officer fired a total of 5 rounds 2 hit the badguy in the neck, 1 in the chest, 1 in the knee and the other he missed. The point is shoot for soft and vonerable targets if you are carrying a pocket gun. he said to me that he shot at the BG's leggs so if he hit him hopefully he and the clerk could make a run for it. he did not even realize that he hit the kid nor did he relaize the kid was trying to get away. (I say kid but i call every body a kid when they act retarted he was in his 30's).

about a year ago my soon to be wife whent to the gunstore and with out my knowlege purchased a Colt vestpocket 25acp. At first I told here she wasted her money. But shortly there after i found myself grabbing it from the safe. My idea of a CCW has changed over the past 5 years I have been carrying a gun. My opinion is that you must know the capabilities and limitations of your firearm. if I put 5 or 6 .25 acp sluggs in you its going to slow you down. if they are neck or head hits i dont think it matters. I work in corrections for a sherrifs office one of our patrol deputies always carried a S&W 642 the same modle I carry 90% of the time and he also carried a Keltec .32 off duty on duty he carried them plus his G21. He was at a local gas station and a kid came in with a knife and attempted to rob the place. The office snuck up behind the kid with his S&W drawn once the cleark saw the cop he hit the deck the kid realizing something was wrong swong around real fast cutting the officers right hand and wrist. It turns out the kid was a martial arts guru. essential what he did is a tecnique called "defanging the snake" he then stabbed the officer he tried to get him in the solar plexes area fortunately the officer quickly turned and the knife sunk in at an angle and not directly in. it was grusome it litteraly just went under the skin and cut a flap you could se his abb mussles if you lifted up the flap. The kid then sprung backwards and took an aggressive stance screming I am going to kill you. At this time the officer fell to his knees as if he was dying and quickly drew his keltec from an ankle holster with his left hand. The kid charged the office openfired. The kid stopped in his tracks and tried to run out bleeding everyware. as he turned to run the office fired two more rounds at his leggs striking him in the knee. The kid flopped kicked a few time cried for mommy and died before the ambulance could arrive. The officer fired a total of 5 rounds 2 hit the badguy in the neck, 1 in the chest, 1 in the knee and the other he missed. The point is shoot for soft and vonerable targets if you are carrying a pocket gun. he said to me that he shot at the BG's leggs so if he hit him hopefully he and the clerk could make a run for it. he did not even realize that he hit the kid nor did he relaize the kid was trying to get away. (I say kid but i call every body a kid when they act retarted he was in his 30's).

Sounds like the KT .32 "penetrated" well enough for this "upclose and personal" encounter

hey uncle.. im trying to think of something to offer you as trade ..i think that gun shoots harder than most 25s .. tight action or something, mabe real strong recoil spring ,i dont know..
heck i don t need it just stayed in my pocket for so many years..
i wasn t even gonna buy it back then ,as id seen so many little cheap 22s . a friend got shot in the leg with one and came over and ate supper with me with the rd still in his leg ..rnd fell out later that night..
but a 55 gallon drum is pretty heavy gage ..i expected it to plaster the rnd against the side..
when it went thru both sides ,i knew it was different than those cheap 22 short pistols..
bought it on the spot. think it was back in 76 or 78.
ps don t lose any pts i never could find what i needed to make mine right after i lost some pts[another story]:)

hey uncle.. im trying to think of something to offer you as trade ..i think that gun shoots harder than most 25s .. tight action or something, mabe real strong recoil spring ,i dont know..
heck i don t need it just stayed in my pocket for so many years..
i wasn t even gonna buy it back then ,as id seen so many little cheap 22s . a friend got shot in the leg with one and came over and ate supper with me with the rd still in his leg ..rnd fell out later that night..
but a 55 gallon drum is pretty heavy gage ..i expected it to plaster the rnd against the side..
when it went thru both sides ,i knew it was different than those cheap 22 short pistols..
bought it on the spot. think it was back in 76 or 78.
ps don t lose any pts i never could find what i needed to make mine right after i lost some pts[another story]:)

Slim, I pm'd you with a springkit parts source for your Titan. It's www.gun-parts.com (http://www.gun-parts.com).. a place called Bob's.

I have a couple of .25s for nostalgia. I stepped up to a .380 after a call in which a cabbie was shot twice. Both rounds were trapped in his wool jacket. Not even a discernable bruise. If the situation called for Small small I would carry a .25 and be certain to pick my intended impact area on the ogre who required a dose of lead.

I have a couple of .25s for nostalgia. I stepped up to a .380 after a call in which a cabbie was shot twice. Both rounds were trapped in his wool jacket. Not even a discernable bruise. If the situation called for Small small I would carry a .25 and be certain to pick my intended impact area on the ogre who required a dose of lead.

The 'ole "cyclops" (between the eyes)shot is low %age,but the 'ole "eunuch" shot (in the groin) will give 'em a tummy ache for sure:eek:

That "eunuch" shot does work. Knew a fellow years back who carried a .25 in his pocket on his potato chip route. Went off one morning while he was loading his truck and made him a 50% eunuch. He bought an ankle holster when he got out of the hospital and the swelling went down.

thanks uncle..frosty thats hurts all the way dn here in n.c.:) i guess he was using ball ammo;:D

thanks uncle..frosty thats hurts all the way dn here in n.c.:) i guess he was using ball ammo;:D


That is too funny. It hadn't occured to me before you spoke of it. :D I am going to call that fellow tomorrow and ask him if he still uses "ball ammo" in his little .25
eek::eek::eek::eek

Well here in Texas a concealed carry weapon must be 32 caliber or larger by law. Why bother shooting someone with an illegal carry weapon when carrying a legal size would be better? Don't want to risk the chance of being branded a fugitive because of choice of carry weapons. Then they all go away!
Greg

Well, Rhino57, I'd usually revert to the "tried by twelve than carried by six", but I would never encourage another person to violate the laws. Godness knows the "powers that be" stay on our donkey most of the time anyway and we might as well not give them any new openings. I apologize for my part in that. I nver stopped to think that any state had laws that mandated calibers, but I'm not surprised. Regards, Al

Well here in Texas a concealed carry weapon must be 32 caliber or larger by law. Why bother shooting someone with an illegal carry weapon when carrying a legal size would be better? Don't want to risk the chance of being branded a fugitive because of choice of carry weapons. Then they all go away!
Greg

I believe that you can carry any caliber, but have to qualify with .32 or larger. Might ask a CHL instructor if you know one, but that was my understanding from the last class I attended.

Mike,
I stand corrected! Sorry! I rescanned the DPS site and could only find it as you mentioned. Nothing disqualifying a gun for its size or caliber. I'll stick with a .380 or better. Hey don't get me wrong a .22 or .25 is better than a stick but when you have something bigger why not bring it along?
Greg

In Texas:If you qualify with a 32 auto(minimum size caliber required to qualify), you can carry any auto or revolver or non auto(derringer/single shots) of ANY caliber.
If you qualify with a revolver,you may only carry a revolver or non auto handgun,but not autos. Sheesh!!

Mike,
I stand corrected! Sorry! I rescanned the DPS site and could only find it as you mentioned. Nothing disqualifying a gun for its size or caliber. I'll stick with a .380 or better. Hey don't get me wrong a .22 or .25 is better than a stick but when you have something bigger why not bring it along?
Greg

Oh I agree. Just pointing out a little nit with the law.

Sure wouldn't want to have to depend on a .25 or .22 but some folks just have to make do with what they have, or can use.