I snagged the wifes new American Rifleman from her when she was not reading it and found a article on the .500 WE me always thinking of big bore revolvers got me thinking of putting this round in a lever or single shot rifle platform, but cannot find the case dimensions for the case to see even if it is possible. Can someone please post the case dimensions.
Thanks
BT

Black tail go here, then go to the bottom of the page and open 500 Wyoming Express Data. It's a PDF with the case dimensions.

http://www.freedomarms.com/

A belted version of the 500 JRH. I have a Win. 92 chambered in 475 Linebaugh. I wouldn't want to stess the little lever gun any more than it allready is

Cool thanks for the info. A 475 Linbaugh would be good too. did not know the 92 would handle it.

the 92 is probly the only platform that would handle it.

Now if I could just find a cheep 92

best bet would look for a clone like rossi or puma or the like .

The 92 is stressed to it's limit with the 475 Linebaugh and a less than full power load is less abusive to the rifle. Of course a slight reduction is load pressure will not hurt performance from the rifle in fact performance will be ahead of top pressure loads in a revolver.

But you can buy a Puma in .480 Ruger, I believe.

We've had a number of posts regarding the .454 Puma with positive comments.

We've had a number of posts regarding the .454 Puma with positive comments.
That is a good one too,
Dear Santa,
I want all the 92's:D:D:D

But you can buy a Puma in .480 Ruger, I believe.


Yes you can

Looks like I'll be asking momma for a new 92, the old 44 mag just ain't cutting it any more:), besides momma likes the 44, sooo I need one in 454 or 480 for me yeah that is what I'll tell her:D

funny how a south american company produces a rifle that will handle a 454 and our american companies cant just find that a bit odd.....i do like the puma in 454 and may end up getting one maybe for christmas...

look and compare 2 cartrages to see the diff, 480 is not much more powerful than 44 mag just bigger caliber. the 454 is loaded to much higher psi witch gives it 200 300 more fps and extends your range by 50 or 100 yards. if you are not happy with the 44 mag power. i do not think you will be happy with the 480, although i do not own one.

The 480 is much more effective than a 44 mag on large game make no mistake about it. The 480 in a handgun can be loaded with 410 + grain bullets to 1200+ FPS out of a handgun (these loads will be faster out of a rifle barrel) this load will leave a larger wound channel and out penetrate any 44 Mag or 454 load Load period. The 480 is higher on the food chain than a 454 or 44 mag for sure and for certain

.480 not much more powerful than a .44?????? You've got to be kidding me! Do not look at paper balistics as a comparison as they are very misleading, especially when comparing muzzle energy. Do not fool yourself into thinking that the Casull is a more "powerful" round either, as pressure is no way to compare either. A .475 caliber, 400 grain + bullet will put even the leargest game down with impugnity -- bigger hole than either the .44 or .454 and just a touch slower than the .475 Linebaugh. I would choose a .480 over a .454 or .44 any and every day -- and I own all them -- plus a .475 Linebaugh.

you can shoot a 400gr bullet out of a 454 handgun at 1400 fps. i know of people shooting them faster than that but would not do it myself. you guys act like compared to the 480 that 44mag and 454 are pussycats i think that some people love fords and some love chevys but there aint that much diffrence between the 3. #1 454 #2 480 #3 44mag. speed is not everything but do not think there is anything magical about 475 bullets .

There is something magical and it's called diameter. Now, how many of these calibers do you personally own and hunt with? I have a .480, a .454, 2 .44 magnums, and a .475 Linebaugh. It's not a matter of preference as the .480, .454, and the .475 are all on the same platform, Super Redhawks. I have used and taken game with 400 grain bullets in my .454 and it actually prefers 360s as it stabilizes them better (the 400 grain bullet is a bit long) and is consequently more accurate with the lighter bullet. The .480 loaded with 410 grain WFNs at 1200 fps puts a bigger hole in animals and in my experience penetrates better than the Casull. The .480 is definitely higher up on the food chain than the .45s. I'm not trying to be combative, but this is not something I have read, this is stuff that I know from experience and experimentation.

It's not a matter of preference as the .480, .454, and the .475 are all on the same platform, Super Redhawks.


I wasn't aware the Ruger Super Redhawks were available in .475?

i agree that a bigger calaber kills better in most cases,but we are not talking about 30cal vs 40cal. there is only a small diff between the 3. the reason i said 454 was not because it is a better killer , but because it has better range, witch is what alot of people are looking for. a 400gr bullet moving at 1200 fps and one moving at 1500fps is going to kill about the same, but the 1500fps has better range. most people that hunt with 44mag rifles and the like love the power they have, but are looking to get more down range performence out of them 454 not 480.

I have taken game with handguns since the early 70s and there is most assuredly a difference in wound channel size on Large game between a 454 and a 475 caliber flat point hard cast bullet and other than the Punch bullets no other type bullets can give the ballistics performance on large game.
I have the results from the Linebaugh seminars and no 454 load will penetrate as deep as the 475 and 500 cal handguns will. In-fact a some what reduced 4745 load will penetrate with the very best of the 454 loads

This exit is in the rib cage of a 6X7 Bull Elk and the 440 grain flat point hard cast from the 500 JRH left a gaping exit despite only 950 FPS muzzle velocity and 882 FPE


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/HuntingPicturesfrom2006061.jpg


A Bison taken 325 grain LFN

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/ParkerBuffInSnow.jpg


A very Large Bison taken with the 500 Linebaugh with 525 grain bullet @ 1100 FPS complete penetration and an exit. A one shot kill

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/parker_buffalo.jpg


This picture shows a 53" Moose taken with the 475 and a 390 grain LFN at 1350 FPS as well as the Grizz that the 475 flattened in 1988

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/00000009.jpg


And my best Caribou taken with 310 LFN 45 Colt

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/00000003.jpg


I have taken game with 9mm, 357 Mag, 45 ACP, 44 Mag, 45 Colt & 454, 475, 500 Linebaugh and 500 JRH and IMHO there is no way that a 454 is higher on the ballistic food chain than a properly loaded 480.

I have not studied the 480 that much but it is a real impressive round!

I wasn't aware the Ruger Super Redhawks were available in .475?

DOK, the .475 is a custom built by Jack Huntington. It is my favorite handgun by far, capable of shooting sub-1-inch groups at 50-yards. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a game animal at 200 yards with it and the 420 grain bullets are leaving the muzzle at a "whopping" 1,330 fps. My Casull doesn't shoot any flatter and you have to remember that the faster a bullet is travelling, the faster they scrub off speed.

I have also found that stepping from a .44 magnum to a .45 is a noticeable step up on game performance -- as is moving up to .475 caliber. It counts, don't for a moment think that it doesn't.

Here's a piggy I shot with my .480 back in 2002........DRT

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/MarkoR/HogPhoto.jpg

when they teasted those rounds they were 10 yards away from the target if it were 200 yards, the outcome would have been diffrent. downrange performence,like i said before, bigger calaber kills better. i am a beliver but there aint much diff in .452 and .475 the range of the 454 is what makes it shine above the 44 and 475. not that it has more paper power.

Tested what at 10 yards? What are you talking about? I regularly shoot my handguns at 100 yards plus. I'm telling you that the .454 is outclassed. Do you have a .454? I'm just trying to figure out why you are defending it so dogedly -- I have one and I have no problem conceding the fact that the .480 is a better hunting round IMHO. Look, if you want to shoot something beyond 200 yards, you are probably better off with a rifle, but at pistol ranges, I don't see that the Casull carries any advantages.

when they teasted those rounds they were 10 yards away from the target if it were 200 yards, the outcome would have been diffrent. downrange performence,like i said before, bigger calaber kills better. i am a beliver but there aint much diff in .452 and .475 the range of the 454 is what makes it shine above the 44 and 475. not that it has more paper power.


At 200 yards are farther the difference is even more dramatic favoring the larger caliber rounds. I have been shooting these big boys for a few decades and you are way off base. I posted pictures to back up my opinion I don't believe that you have shot them much are you would know.

A very, very interesting discussion from experienced hunters.....that I hope doesn't get too agressive, please. We may have to just agree to disagree.

Dan

each bullet has a speed for best penatration around 1400 1500 fps the 454 is going faster than that so it is not at its best penatration until it is down range witch is good for hunting i think. this thred was started by someone wanting a rifle not handgun. it is easy to make test turn out how you want them 2. if you want to belive that the 475,s are far better than the 44 or 45 i have no problem with it at all, there is nothing wrong with them. if you can't do it with 44 or 45 and you can with 475 than that is what you should use . but for me i will go with the other 2, if they will not do it, i will use my 500 s&w.

No need to get agressive at all! We're simply stating our findings....... The .480 is one of those rounds that doesn't look all that great on paper especially in its original factory loadings (275 and 325 grain expanding bullets), but it's a killin' machine loaded with 400+ grain flat-nosed hardcasts. The .45 Colt dosn't look like much on paper either, but I would take one over a .44 magnum any day of the week.......

each bullet has a speed for best penatration around 1400 1500 fps


And where does this gem of information come from? slowsuki1, do you have a .454 Casull? I just wonder how much trigger/reloading/hunting time you have with one. I thought it was the end-all be-all one time as well, but realized that after all that noise and recoil, it's just a hot-rodded .45 Colt and you actually don't need all that speed.

My 50 Alaskan at the Linebaugh seminar in Jackson, Miss. Last year shooting a 525 grain bullet 1570 FPS penetrated 50". My 500 Linebaugh shooting the same bullet at 1091 FPS penetrated 50". My 475 Linebaugh shooting a 420 grain bullet at 1382 FPS penetrated 49". My 500 JRG shooting a 425 grain bullet at 1382 FPS penetrated 50".
My 454 Casull shooting a 360 grain at 1423 FPS bullet pentrated 40".

All of the above were shooting hard cast flat point bullets.
Now the 500 Linebaugh shooting a 450 grain Punch bullet at 1250 FPS pentrates 51".

Not sure where you get the 1400, 1500 FPS as the best speed for penetration, do you have tess to back this up?

you are on to something know. 45 colt will out penatrate a 454 at point blank ranges, as you move away from target the colt will penatrate less and the 454 will penatrate more until the bullet speed is at its optamel penatration 1400 1500 just guessing on what it would be ,but i bet i am close. down range performence.THE 454 WILL NOT KILL BETTER THAN THE 45 COLT UNTIL YOU ARE 200 YARDS OR SO THEN IT WILL KILL BTTER. more speed for better down range performence. i am in complete agreement there is no reason to shoot a pistol bullet faster than 1200 1500 fps unless you are shooting long range then you will get the same performence you would at at closer ranges.

More test results from Linebaugh seminars

500 S&W 440 grain Flat point 1664 FPS 44"
500 S&W 275 grain XPB 1921 FPS 12"

you are on to something know. 45 colt will out penatrate a 454 at point blank ranges, as you move away from target the colt will penatrate less and the 454 will penatrate more until the bullet speed is at its optamel penatration 1400 1500 just guessing on what it would be ,but i bet i am close. down range performence.THE 454 WILL NOT KILL BETTER THAN THE 45 COLT UNTIL YOU ARE 200 YARDS OR SO THEN IT WILL KILL BTTER. more speed for better down range performence.


What experience or test results do you have to back up this claim. The 2 longest kills that I have made on game has been with the 45 Colt one was my best Caribou that I posted a picture of earlier in this thread and that kills was 150 yards with complete penetration (bullet exited) and the other was a pig at a lasered 218 yards and that bullet also exited.

you are on to something know. 45 colt will out penatrate a 454 at point blank ranges, as you move away from target the colt will penatrate less and the 454 will penatrate more until the bullet speed is at its optamel penatration 1400 1500 just guessing on what it would be ,but i bet i am close. down range performence.THE 454 WILL NOT KILL BETTER THAN THE 45 COLT UNTIL YOU ARE 200 YARDS OR SO THEN IT WILL KILL BTTER. more speed for better down range performence.

Again, slowsuki1, where are you getting your information? How many people do you know that hunt with their .454 Casulls at 200 yards plus? Yes, it is doable, but in all practicality.......

Again, I will ask, do you have a .454 Casull? You need to get one and start playing with different loads and you will see what it is that we are talking about.

Dustin Linebaugh (son of John Linebaugh) shot a grizzly last year with his .475 Linebaugh, loaded with 420 grain LFN at 1,200 fps. The shot was taken with open sights at 176 yards, and it was lights-out with one shot. Don't for a moment think that his kill would have been any faster with 300 more feet per second.........

a 44mag rifle shooting the same round as a pistol will not kill any better but its range will be greater than the handgun.

again 200 yards with a 454 rifle is not that hard of a shot witch is what this thread is about not a pistol.

a 44mag rifle shooting the same round as a pistol will not kill any better but its range will be greater than the handgun.


What do you mean by its range will be greater?

slowsuki1, do you have a .454 Casull? Please answer my question, I am begging you.......:D

agin 200 yards with a 454 rifle is not that hard of a shot witch is what this thread is not about a pistol.


Who said anything about a 200 yard shot with a 454 rifle? If you are refering to the pig that I took at 218 yards, as I stated above that was a 45 Colt with a 6" barrel in a Ruger Bisley platform

witworth said how many people do you know who shoot 200 yards with there 454's.

if you shoot 2 bullets that are same weight shape in every way one going 1400 fps the other going 2000 fps and at same plane witch one will hit the ground last that bullet will have greater range i think, and be able to kill a greater distences, witch is why i said i would choose the 454 over the 480 not becase i think it is a better killer but at 200 yards or more it is.also thik that the killing power at close range that you give up to 480 is minamal.

witworth said how many people do you know who shoot 200 yards with there 454's.

Again, a reference to handgun hunting........

i realize this is in handgun cartrages but the person who started this thred was asking about model 92 winchester lever rifles witch is what i am comenting on not hanguns.

if you shoot 2 bullets that are same weight shape in every way one going 1400 fps the other going 2000 fps and at same plane witch one will hit the ground last that bullet will have greater range i think, and be able to kill a greater distences.


are you talking effective range of the cartridge or effective rang of the shooter or the effective range of the platform?

i realize this is in handgun cartrages but the person who started this thred was asking about model 92 winchester lever rifles witch is what i am comenting on not hanguns.


He asked about a lever action rifle shooting a revolver round, so we all are on track.

Good grief!:D

i do not thik that we have ever been talking about anything other than what said cartrage can do not shooters. a 357 in the hands of a exbert can kill better than a first time hunter with a 480 or 500 for that matter.

only a revolver round when fired form a revolver it becomes a rifle round when it is fired from one.

Obviously shot placement is the most important thing -- this will always be the case, but that is not what we were talking about.

What experience or test have you to back up your assertions that the 454 is higher on the ballistic food chain the the 480?

who ever said 454 was higher up on the food chain. i said that at close range 480 would kill better, just not by much, and it is not. the little advantage it has is soon lost, that does not mean it is a bad cartrage, but in a rifle 454 is better round down range performence is better,by quite a bit. the single biggest factor in distence traveled by any bullet is speed there are lots of other factors but it is the biggest one.

who ever said 454 was higher up on the food chain. i said that at close range 480 would kill better, just not by much, and it is not. the little advantage it has is soon lost, that does not mean it is a bad cartrage, but in a rifle 454 is better round down range performence is better,by quite a bit. the single biggest factor in distence traveled by any bullet is speed there are lots of other factors but it is the biggest one.


Again what experience or test do you base your above statement on?

How can the 480 lose it's edge at Distance? Dose the large diameter projectile of the 480 some how shrink as it goes down range?
How can a 454 be a better round in a rifle than a 480 in in a rifle?
Your assertion are not adding up in my experience or testing.

how does a 300 win mag compare to a 30-30 in terms of downrange performence most would chose the 300 win mag for 1000 yard shots but i guess it has nothing over 30-30. and they are the same cal.

most of the 480 rounds i have saw are about 400fps slower than the 454 they get closer the heavier the bullets get but most people are not going to shoot heavier than 325gr bullets.

Again in every post I have stated a properly loaded 480 with 400 to 420 grain bullets.
The analogy of a 300 win compared to a 30-30 is apples to oranges when talking about the 454 and 480. the former 2 (300 & 30-30) are of the same caliber and the later 2 (454 & 480) or not. The advantage in wound channel size goes to the 480 at all distance. The only things that remain the same once the bullets leave the barrel are the diameter and the wieght and that advantages goes to the 480.


I will ask again what experience do you have?
What test can you sight to back up your claims?
Are you just typing responses for the fun of it?

if you are happy and think that the .480 you have will out performe a 454 at 200 yards you are welcome to belive, but you will never convince me that a bullet that has its best penatration potencial at the muzzel and only decreases from there is going to out penatrate a round at 200 yards that is moving faster than its optamal penatrateing. the only reason the military about 100 years ago whent from shooting heavy slow moving bullets was for better DOWNRANGE performence, not because the 45-70 was not as good a killer as the 30-06, but the 30-06 could do it at greater range. with less learning curve. you proved my point with your test for me. you said that you shot a 525gr bullet at 1570fps and got 50" of penatration and fired a bullet at 1081fps and got the same. can we agree that at some point that the bullet is going to slow down so that the penatration will be less. if so the bullet going faster will out penatrate down range.

if you are happy and think that the .480 you have will out performe a 454 at 200 yards you are welcome to belive, but you will never convince me that a bullet that has its best penatration potencial at the muzzel and only decreases from there is going to out penatrate a round at 200 yards that is moving faster than its optamal penatrateing. the only reason the military about 100 years ago whent from shooting heavy slow moving bullets was for better DOWNRANGE performence, not because the 45-70 was not as good a killer as the 30-06, but the 30-06 could do it at greater range. with less learning curve.


Oh realy, where did you come up with this realavation. The old Buffalo hunters regularly killed Buffalo out ot 600 yards and beyound, and that is historical fact. A 511 grain bullet from a 45-110 will penetrate deeper on Large heavy game than the lighter 06 bullet, because of it's greater amount of momentum and will leave a larger wound channel because of its larger diameter.

Again what test cast can you sight to back up your claims?
What experience do you have to back up your claims?
Do you own any of the afore mentioned weapons?
What are your bonfides, to back up your claims?

I have asked you these questions several times and you continue to ignore them, I believe that you are just typing contrary answers , for something to do.

Here is a thread on an African hunter were the Hunter used a Sharps in 45-110 and made a 525 yards one shot kill on a a Spring buck with a 45-110. The longest shot ever taken in the 11 years that the Saffari company have been in business

Quote from thread

"One last thing. Much has been written about the long range accuracy of the big Sharps. I told Africa Bushveld Safaris that I wanted a long shot, longer than the 325 yard springbok I took last year doing a DVD. They agreed to allow me such a shooting opportunity to document the long range capability of the Sharps and paper patched bullets driven by black powder.

Andries put me on a herd of springbok with the sun at my back and picked out a mature ram. He was running my Leica CRF 1200 rangefinder and called the distance at 525 laser measured yards. Using barrel buckhorn sights and paper patched bullets pushed by 106 grains of Goex 2f Express black powder, I killed the springbok with a center hit to the body with the Shiloh Sharps on the first shot. The 511 grain lead bullet went straight through, throwing up dirt on the other side of the animal. On DVD, Marius Van Deventer says that it is the longest shot they have ever allowed anyone to take, and the farthest any animal has been taken in the 11 years that Africa Bushveld Safaris has been in business.

I came home a happy man."


http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2218672/page/1/gonew/1#UNREAD

Good morning, gentlemen!

I see that this discussion is still on going. Mr. slowsuki1, I believe that you are basing your arguments on theory and that you haven't done much testing of the calibers which you are arguing about.

There is a price you pay for jacking the speeds of the .454 up to the moon along with pressure and that price is recoil. I have met few people who are able to shoot the Casull well. Even loaded heavily the .480 is a gentler kicker -- it's not a maiden's caress by any stretch, but the recoil pulse isn't nearly as violent. And again, after the smoke clears and your hand stops throbbing, you don't get any added performance and the bullet's smaller.......

Oh, and handgun hunters have long ago ditched the anemic 325 grain factory loadings in favor of taking advantage of the .480's true potential.

At one time I was a frequent .454 handgun shooter, spending a lot of time developing loads for accuracy and velocity performance. I was always surprised at the lack of articles about the use of the .454 Casull in Alaska hunting and asked an experienced hunter living in Alaska why that was. His response was the hunters he knew that had used the .454 for hunting in Alaska were not impressed with the results. I asked what bullet weight was most commonly used and he said the 320 gr. but that it wasn't heavy enough. About the only solace I took from that was my favorite was the 360 gr. at 1400 fps but came away from the conversation with the understanding the .475 was the standard....the 480 was either not around yet or too new for known results.

Dan

At one time I was a frequent .454 handgun shooter, spending a lot of time developing loads for accuracy and velocity performance. I was always surprised at the lack of articles about the use of the .454 Casull in Alaska hunting and asked an experienced hunter living in Alaska why that was. His response was the hunters he knew that had used the .454 for hunting in Alaska were not impressed with the results. I asked what bullet weight was most commonly used and he said the 320 gr. but that it wasn't heavy enough. About the only solace I took from that was my favorite was the 360 gr. at 1400 fps but came away from the conversation with the understanding the .475 was the standard....the 480 was either not around yet or too new for known results.

Dan


And Dan, the .480 is just a shortened .475 Linebaugh. It can't reach the velocity of the Linebaugh (nor the recoil!), but it really isn't needed. Those big heavy bullets just punch through animals.......

At one time I was a frequent .454 handgun shooter, spending a lot of time developing loads for accuracy and velocity performance. I was always surprised at the lack of articles about the use of the .454 Casull in Alaska hunting and asked an experienced hunter living in Alaska why that was. His response was the hunters he knew that had used the .454 for hunting in Alaska were not impressed with the results. I asked what bullet weight was most commonly used and he said the 320 gr. but that it wasn't heavy enough. About the only solace I took from that was my favorite was the 360 gr. at 1400 fps but came away from the conversation with the understanding the .475 was the standard....the 480 was either not around yet or too new for known results.

Dan



DOK , the 360 grain load that you mentioned is a good one and will get the job done, but I agree with your friend 100% not in the same league as the larger caliber revolvers, at least that is what my experience and testing have showm as well as the Linebaugh seminars.

I have used 400 grain bullets in my Casull and it is much happier with 360s.......IMO it doesn't need a heavier bullet and is pretty much optimal.

For the caliber I agree Whitworth, but a larger diameter heavier projectile with more momentum wins every time despite what hte KE crowd wants us to believe.

jwp, I couldn't agree with you more. Again, the Casull in a variety of loadings (even with light bullets around 260 grains), handily creates more muzzle energy than my .475 Linebaugh loaded with 420s at 1330 fps. Does this make the .454 a better killer -- even at distance? NOT BY A LONGSHOT.

I've found the Super Redhawk to be a little clumbersome and prefer the single action revolver anyway, so why don't I buy the .475 and download it to the .480 level unless the full .475 potential is needed? That is instead of buying a .480 and .475?

You guys have me going again and I admit the .475 has always been an interest. I'd buy the .480 based on your information, but since I prefer the single action, why not the .475 to do both jobs? Am I missing something?

Dan

Holy smokes, what a slugfest we have here! :D One with paper figures and others with actuall experience.
My two cents here is that I will take the .480 or .475 for ANY range over the .454. I have sidestepped the .454 because I don't believe it is any better then my .45 Colt with 335 and 347 gr boolits. I won't own one! The only thing gained from higher velocity is a few inches less drop but the lighter, faster boolit sheds velocity and penetration too fast. Start a heavy .475 boolit slower and it hits way harder at any range.
I have shot my .475 many times to 500 meters (547 yd's) and I assure you, you do not want to be in it's way.
Even the .460 can be an abortion since it was designed to shoot light bullets fast for long range. Bullets explode too much. Load with the proper weight bullet and it is just a shade better then the .45, .454. However the twist rate is not right for heavy boolits and accuracy goes south.
Yes, they go faster and drop just a small amount less but energy at the animal means little for killing power. Penetration with the proper boolit means more.
I will take a big diameter, WLN or WFN, heavy boolit at any speed, any day of the week for any distance.
My opinion of the .475 over the .480 is not in killing power but an inch or so less drop at long range.
Same with the .454 with the PROPER boolits. My .45 Vaquero will kill better then the .454 with the wrong bullet. Speed and trajectory does not make a better killing machine. Only makes it easier to hit the target when you don't know your gun.
Slowsuki, how far do you shoot? What have you killed?
Most revolver shooters limit their shooting to 25 yd's, some even less. Blow up a jug of water at 15 yd's and expect great things at 200 yd's when they never in their life shot that far. Then expect the same round and bullet in a rifle to perform a miracle. I have news for you, you do not gain better killing power, only a flatter trajectory.

Who cares which caliber y'all think is better! It comes down to personal opinion anyway. Don't turn this site into a ***** fest. We're here to exchange OPINIONS. There are so many sites online that are so negative. So far this one is not.:mad:

There's nothing negative going on here -- it is a spirited debate. Preference is valid, but some cartridges are more effective than others. As you said yourself, we are here to share our opinions and that is exactly what is taking place here. I too don't like it when the discussions get heated -- it isn't necessary.

I've found the Super Redhawk to be a little clumbersome and prefer the single action revolver anyway, so why don't I buy the .475 and download it to the .480 level unless the full .475 potential is needed? That is instead of buying a .480 and .475?

You guys have me going again and I admit the .475 has always been an interest. I'd buy the .480 based on your information, but since I prefer the single action, why not the .475 to do both jobs? Am I missing something?

Dan


DOK, you will not be lacking in any manner with either the 475 or 480. I would go 475 and you have all bases covered. Dustin Linebaugh (John's son) loads his 475 to 480 level;s and has never found it lacking at any distance.

Who cares which caliber y'all think is better! It comes down to personal opinion anyway. Don't turn this site into a ***** fest. We're here to exchange OPINIONS. There are so many sites online that are so negative. So far this one is not.:mad:


Probable nobody cares what I think, that is why I posted proof . Actual game taken with all calibers discussed as well as results from the Linebaugh seminars, so it is not my opinion that the 480/475 leave larger wound channels and penetrate deeper on large heavy game, it is a fact. Which ever one chooses is fine by me, I am only suppling the facfts so they can make an informed decision. Not everyone wants or needs the biggest or badest choose whatever you want or need based on the facts not BS.

John, don't waste your time arguing with that guy (you know who)... he doesn't have handgun hunting experience with any of the cartridges listed, and just likes to argue.

Maybe he can convince my bison that it isn't dead, either :D based on paper ballistics discussions.

Pictures to follow....

Thanks for the heads up

Who cares which caliber y'all think is better! It comes down to personal opinion anyway. Don't turn this site into a ***** fest. We're here to exchange OPINIONS. There are so many sites online that are so negative. So far this one is not.:mad:

We're doing just fine, thank you! This thread has been very well represented with experience and data information. And since it's covered the ground (maybe several times?), I'll close it. Thanks for all the great information.

Dan