500 Smith and Wesson Magnum

Have you seen this?

Have you seen any info. from Smith & Weson?

WWW Link:
http://www.cor-bon.com/500s&W.htm

Form cor-bon Web Site:

http://www.cor-bon.com/500sw275barnes.jpg
275gr Barnes X
Velocity 1665fps
Energy 1688ft/lbs


http://www.cor-bon.com/500sw400hawk.jpg
400gr Hawk SP
Velocity 1675fsp
Energy 2500ft/lbs

http://www.cor-bon.com/500sw440hc.jpg
440gr HC Cast Performance
Velocity 1625fps
Energy 2580ft/lbs

Here's a pic of the revolver so chambered (from Gary Reeder's website).

Also, comparing the 500 S&W to the 500 Linebaugh (Left is the Linebaugh, Right is the 500 S&W).
Again, these photos were downloaded from Gary Reeder's site http://www.reedercustomguns.com/special_guns/index.html

Are they going to make this in a 2" CCW special?

Proof positive the economy is much stronger than the media makes it out to be. It would have to be for folks to blow money on such things. :rolleyes:

Seems to be pretty close to John Linebaugh's 500 Maximum. Niether John nor Hamilton Bowen recommend it, in a handgun that handles recoil better and is much more portable. Believe I'll stay away from this one also.

And coming up ...
The .58 Z100 Intense Turbo Xtreme Supreme Magnum! (ZITS Magnum, in short), manufactured by Lunacy Arms of Fernwood, Idaho.
The cartridge is based upon a lengthened and necked-up .56 Spencer centerfire cartridge.
Initially, factory ammunition will be loaded only with lead bullets, of a special alloy: a tin/lead/silver/bismuth/platinum and zinc mix!
The bullet weighs 560 grs. and is hollowbased. It is taken directly from the .58 Minie' ball cast of the special alloy.
The revolver will have a four-shot cylinder, a design not seen since the Colt "Cloverleaf" House Pistol of the early 1970s.
The first revolvers will have 30" barrels, with porting holes drilled in the barrel half the length of barrel from the muzzle (15 inches).
Sights will be adjustable and made of blackened, non-reflective foam rubber. Prototype testing determined that, during recoil, this state-of-the-art material is easier on the forehead than metal.
The revolver's frame is drilled and tapped for scope rings, which must also be welded in place.
Grips are made of balsa, for their cushioning effect on the hand (another innovation determined during prototype testing).
The 560 gr. roundnosed bullet leaves the muzzle at between 600 and 3,000 feet per second (development continues and the ballistics remain a trade secret).
Ammunition will be commercially made by Bubba's Ammunition & BBQ Stand, a firm based in Peach Tree, Georgia.
The .58 ZITS Magnum revolver is made of a new space-age alloy, Brittlealum, first used on the Russian space station MIR!
Lighter than titanium, stronger than pine, Brittlealum promises a new, intriguing future in gun manufacturing!
Suggested retail price of the .58 Z100 Intense Turbo Xtreme Supreme Magnum is $3,050.
It comes in a hand-fitted, deluxe cardboard, recycled golf club box. Included are a certificate of registration printed on recycled computer paper and a flyer from the American Society of Orthopedic Surgeons.
In the works is a two-shot, over/under deringer using the .58 ZITS Magnum cartridge! Expect release in early 2004.
The .58 Z100 Intense Turbo Xtreme Supreme Magnum is the ultimate hunting, plinking and self-defense cartridge!
See it soon at your local gun store!

**** The manufacturer of the .58 Z100 Intense Turbo Xtreme Supreme Magnum, Lunacy Arms of Fernwood, Idaho, accepts no responsibility for injuries, deafness, scorched eyebrows, blindness, workmanship and safety of the revolver, workmanship and safety of the ammunition, shattered nerves or soiled underwear.
In fact, by the time you get your revolver we'll have declared bankruptcy, moved, changed the identification of the founders and be lying on a beach somewhere with a drink in one hand and a topless babe in another .. heh heh heh.

Gatofeo, you definitely have a future in marketing! :D

I'll pass until it is available with a bird's head grip.

I want the snubbie version, say a 5 (or 4) shot revolver, but made entirely out of plexiglass.

That way the miscreants can be intimidated into behaving by the sheer size of the cartridges, which will be clearly visible, and I'll never have to fire it.

I wonder why I would want to step DOWN in power by switching to the .500 S&W magnum? In the proper set up, it would be milder than the toy I am shooting, the .50 AK in a 12" Encore. Even worse, there is no way to shoot real fifty caliber bullets in it, being the 50 S&W is only .500 diameter, and a revolver, how am I going to shoot those 750 gr. A-Max in it? Nah, I'll stick with my toy.;)
http://expert.ics.purdue.edu/~ffleming/bigbore/encore.jpg

The gun weighs 80 ounces loaded; methinks it should come with wheels and a pintle hitch. All that weight should do a fair job of taming recoil, but still, I don't think I will be buying one, unless Smith can keep the price well away from four figures. Somehow I doubt it.
Mark

With S&W not having a good track record with guns taking alot of heavy abuse with the 44 Mag -why would I think this gun will stay in one peace for long?:rolleyes: Nope I stick with my 454 SRH more than I'll ever need:D

This mornings "Tampa Tribune" has the following headline: "Smith & Wesson Makes Gun Lovers Day With Big Revolver". The article text says, "The five-shot Model 500 revolver with an 8 1/2" barrel weights about 4 1/2 pounds, roughly a pound more than the big-fram .44 caliber Magnum boasted by Dirty Harry in the movies. It fires a new .50-caliber cartridge that the company said produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum. The .50-caliber gun, which sell for $989, is one of nine models the Springfield, Mass., company introduced this week at a trade show in Orlando."

My shooting range owner is attending this show, so I hope to get his first hand impression next week. Unfortaunately, the very large Orlando show is for retailers/wholesalers only so I'll have to rely on others to fill me in until I can catch up with one.

If the darn thing will hold together, $989 is a lot more attractive than the much higher prices for the .475/.500 revolvers currently offered. It will also be interesting to see how the S&W style grip versus the Bisley style grip handles the recoil.

Dan

I think that article echoed what was on CNN yesterday. They ran a spot on it a couple of times. Surprisingly, nothing anti or negative was said. They showed images of it from S&W's website.

S&W .50 info is available on it's site: http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/m500.htm

Dan

Hey DOK,

I see a little foam forming on the corner of your mouth.:D



Here's some links:

http://www.gunweek.com/0201issue/feature0201.html


http://www.sskindustries.com/500S&W.html


http://ir.thomsonfn.com/InvestorRelations/PubNewsStory.aspx?partner=MzgwTWpFeFAkWQEQUALSTOEQ UALSTO&product=MzgwU1ZJPVAkWQEQUALSTOEQUALSTO&storyid=81238


Regards

The LA Times are jumping on it...
SMITH AND WESSON

By Ralph Frammolino and Steve Berry, Times Staff Writers

Even the most ardent firearm lovers acknowledge that Smith & Wesson's new .50-caliber Magnum revolver is more gun than anyone needs.

It has double the power of most assault rifles in America. Its kick can send a grown man reeling; a single bullet can drop a grizzly.

It is so heavy and long that police say no criminal would dare try to hide it in his waistband. It will cost as much as $989.

And gun buyers across the country can't wait to get their hands on it.

"The initial reaction has been even stronger than we had anticipated, so we're ramping up production to meet the demand," Bob Scott, Smith & Wesson Corp.'s chairman, said from the 2003 Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show in Orlando, Fla.

"Certainly, in our booth it's the product that has created the most buzz."

The Springfield, Mass.-based company, creator of the .44 Magnum of "Dirty Harry" fame, unveiled its new offering Thursday as the world's most powerful commercially produced revolver. Executives for the country's second-largest firearms manufacturer said they hoped the gun would help regain lost market share by generating excitement among an important, albeit niche, market of big-game hunters, collectors and recreational target shooters.

But even before the weapon's wide distribution, scheduled for next month, forces on both sides of the firearms debate are taking aim at its social effects.

Gun control groups condemned the Model 500 as an example of the industry's "deadlier-is-better" mentality, predicting that the new model would soon find its way to the streets.

"A hunting weapon? That's a joke," said Luis Tolley, director of state legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "What we have here is a weapon that's designed to appeal to people who just want to make a bigger hole in whatever they're shooting at. And, hopefully, they're not living next door to me."

Said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center: "This gun is not being made for hunters in Africa. It's being made for bored white gun owners in America. Why are they putting so much firepower into people's hands?"

The real question, one gun expert says, is: Why are people demanding it?

Adam Firestone, editor of Cruffler.com, a Web site for gun collectors, said he viewed demand for Smith & Wesson's new product as more of an outgrowth of America's obsession with size and status, rather than an indicator of growing paranoia over crime or homeland security.

"How many people do you know have Lincoln Navigators or Hummer H2s?" he said.

"We are phenomenal at buying beyond our needs. And with regard to the firearm industry, if it is bigger, if it is more expensive ... we will line up around the corner to buy the darned thing, regardless of the fact that there may be six other guns that cost half as much and do the job just as well."

Not everyone is excited about the new firearm. If a Smith & Wesson dealer tried to sell one to George Ashkar, a Santa Monica financial analyst, he would say, "Thanks but no thanks."

"As a novelty gun, as something that let's you say, 'I've got a .50-caliber,' that might be OK," said Ashkar, 56, a former hunter and competition shooter who owns shotguns, rifles and handguns.

But Ashkar thinks it would be of little use for self-defense or hunting because it is too large, it has too much recoil and the ammunition probably will be much more expensive than what people are used to paying.

"Once you take it out a couple of times and feel the recoil and see how difficult it is to handle, it will not be your first choice the next time you go out."

He said the gun would be too heavy for most people to carry around while hunting.

Ashkar said he would have doubts about the accuracy of the weapon and the difficulty of firing a second shot after the recoil from the first.

Smith & Wesson executives hope that the revolver, one of nine models introduced at the Florida gun show Thursday, will put it back in the good graces of a gun-buying constituency that remains sore over the company's decision in 2000 to sign agreements with the federal government that promised to put locks on all firearms it sold.

That backlash served as a double whammy, taking away sales from Smith & Wesson even as the entire industry was in decline.

"We're in the process ofwinning back market share or business that was lost as a result of negative reaction by consumers to the decisions by the previous ownership," said Scott, the company chairman.

Smith & Wesson has built its reputation by building bigger guns.

The .357 Magnum, introduced in 1935, was considered a breakthrough because of its muzzle energy that delivered impact at 535 foot-pounds, said Roy G. Jinks, the company's historian.

The weapon, developed at the behest of hunters, gained favor with police during the mobster era because it could shoot through a car's engine block, he said.

In 1956, Smith & Wesson introduced the even more powerful .44 Magnum, the gun madefamous years later by Clint Eastwood in his crime-fighting movies as "Dirty" Harry Callahan, a San Francisco cop.

With Thursday's unveiling, the company leapfrogs ahead of its competitors, which had surpassed the .44 Magnum with more potent weapons.

The Model 500 uses a bigger frame, takes a new .50-caliber Magnum Smith & Wesson cartridge and packs a muzzle force of 2,600 foot-pounds.

Though there are single-shot, custom pistols that use larger ammunition, the new gun is the largest production revolver or semiautomatic pistol.

At .50-caliber, the cartridge is about half an inch wide but is more powerful than other such ammunition because it is longer and can pack more powder, said Garen Wintemute, a gun expert and director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at UC Davis.

He said the gun's cartridge has about twice the muzzle energy of most rounds for common semiautomatic assault weapons used in America, such as the AR-15, a civilian version of the military's M-16.

Wintemute predicted that it would be a smash with gun enthusiasts, who can order one with a barrel as long as 10 inches.

One such enthusiast is Marc Halcon, owner of American Shooting Center in San Diego.

He said the allure of the weapon "has something to do with the artistry of creating a mechanism that will do something that no other will do. It's another step in science and engineering."

Speaking for himself, Halcon said, "I already own the most powerful handgun on the market, and if they build a more powerful one, then I want to buy it."

Sam Paredes, executive director of the Gun Owners of California, feels much the same.

"I can't wait to shoot one of these things," he said.

Paredes acknowledged that the Model 500 could be portrayed as the "boogeyman of all guns."

He said its recoil would pack such a wallop that it would be virtually impossible for criminals to rely on it — a sentiment shared by Lt. Bruce Harris, the firing range master for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

"It's a little tough to have one of those under your shirt," Harris said, adding that he didn't believe it would become a street weapon, because "gangbangers don't have $900 to spend on a Smith & Wesson revolver."

Legislation regulating the sale of .50-caliber rifles is scheduled for consideration in the state Assembly and the L.A. City Council, said Tolley of the Brady Campaign. But government officials said Thursday that they had no plans to include the new gun in the restrictions.

Still, Tolley said, his group will work to bring the Model 500 under some kind of control because, despite Smith & Wesson's intentions, the weapon is bound to end up in the wrong hands.

"They're marketing this weapon to people who get off on the idea that they have the biggest, baddest gun on the block," Tolley said.

"Unfortunately, a number of them are going to juvenile gang members and people who have an unhealthy fascination with firearms."

Times researcher John Jackson contributed to this report.

Copyright 2003 Los Angeles Times

Ah yes, just a run of the mill, unbiased article from the pressholes at the LA Times.

I love how everybody in the article knows exactly how the gun will feel to shoot and function when they have never even handled or in some cases seen it before.

You'd think the thing was out walking around by itself terrorizing everybody.



Regards

pressholes
Contender, this is too good.

I'm sure the cops, who see what goes on in the streets, will be ignored on this matter. The most disciplined of handgunners will find it hard to be accurate with this revolver, if it has the ME suggested in this article, no matter to the anti gun "pressholes". I'll not be first in line to buy one of these, it seems a bit much for ME. I'll not bash anyone who buys one, but I'll happily buy it from them for a very discounted price to try it out myself. There are few people I know who can effectivley shoot my 45LC Bisley with hunting loads, this thing is double that for practical comparison.

I apologize for my language as this is a family site.

I should have said, "Mediots". ;)





Regards

Notice they didn't ask any handgun hunters if it would be acceptible! Too heavy - ? - guess I'd better toss all my rifles in the trash, they're clearly too heavy for hunting since they weigh more than this gun.

The cops ought to GIVE these things to the gangbangers. Everytime someone fired one, they'd be found laying in the street with a front sight dent in their forehead (or, if the held it sideways like their semi-autos, in their ear).

Can't wait for this to show up on the storyline of all the crime/hospital shows.

The whole furor is beyond stupid when you can get a .300 Win Mag barrel (and worse) for an Encore.....

I just got back from the local indoor range. They had the ammo for this on the shelf, but no rental to try it in. I would have had to try it. I did try a .480 Raging Bull with Hornady factory rounds, it was a pussycat, compared to my 44 Bisquero 5 1/2" with full on 300gr cast loads.

MikeG,
I'm guessing J D Jones probably has some Encore barrels that would make a .300 WinMag look like a round for little girls.

Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban
By Michael L. Betsch
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 17, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - A well-known gun maker recently introduced a powerful new hunting revolver that is said to have no equal in terms of firepower.

But within days of introducing the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum at an industry-wide trade show in Florida, an anti-gun Democrat promised to seek a nationwide ban on the product.

"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Billed as the "most powerful production revolver in the world today," S&W claims its new 500 Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, one of the most powerful sidearm cartridges available.

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

"And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.

Can a revolver be an assault weapon?

While Smith & Wesson's new five-round revolver is billed by the company as "the most powerful production revolver ever made," it's already being reclassified by some gun control advocates.

"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.

"I'm not a weapons expert, but it sounded like pretty strong firepower to me," Currie said. "The description I heard was that from a significant range you could fell a large bear."

She dismissed the notion that the 500 Magnum is a hunting revolver, but did equate it with mob violence.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of range that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.

Like Davis, Currie said she would examine the prospects of making the sidearm illegal in the state.

"I'm going to look at the technology, as I say, and see if there is any way to specifically keep it from operating in the state of Illinois," Flynn said. "We are also working on efforts to ban military-style assault weapons, and, perhaps there is something about this technology that makes it possible to amend that legislation to include firepower like this."

Anti-gun message said to be flawed

Rifles are most commonly used for hunting, but many gun enthusiasts have also used smaller side arms for hunting, according to Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt, who corrected the claim by Davis that hunters don't use revolvers to shoot prey.

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

As far as Davis' contention that any would-be criminal could easily conceal the 500 Magnum, Pratt said, "Yeah, if you have a trench coat or something like that."

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times.

"It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."

It looks like Illinois' finest are right on top of things. Those ding-dongs would probably be appalled that I shoot deer & hogs with revolvers, .357/.44/.45. In fact I'd bet they would just tell me, "no, it's not actually possible, so clearly you could not have done it. And now we need to ban those other guns as well... what was it you say you own?"

Somebody find their email address.....

Thoose Dumocrats are just mad because S&W is renigging on the Mass./Brady/Clinton deal!! Would I want one -nope as I said before the 454 Casull is all I need-more than I need. You guy's that want one-to shoot? Go ahead-hope your Insurance is paid up!! I hate to have to sit hunting season with a breaken rist:( Please post pictures of before/after indentation of your skulls.:D

I asked my shooting range owner. who attended the "Shot Show". what he thought of the new 500 magnum. He indicated he never got to see one as the booth was so crowded that he couldn't get close enough to see it, let alone handle it. A lot of interest, but now we'll see if money changes hands. I suspect you'll be able to find a very slightly used one in the near future.

Dan

I think that some of the more liberal news organizations realize they are kicking a dead horse with the gun control issues. More importantly they realize that the dead horse will kick them back, right where they live. There are many that still don't get it, much to my dismay. The evnvironment seems more friendly, but it is important to remain vigilant to "backdoor" tactics used by many leftist groups. Most notable, currently, would be so-called "ballistic fingerprinting". This revolver will be a novelty for handgunners that have to have the biggest. It will be a tool for those that truly need it or think they do.

Hey Zep,
have you found one of these yet? I know the .450 Marlin just won't be enough.:)

So Far from what I have read my .450 Marlin has more power but I will buy one of course.

Just got an email from my gun broker. He is being told that it will be later this summer before the guns are shipped so I will have to wait. Of course by then I will have either a 50 Beowulf or a 50 Leitner Wise by then :O)

http://www.leitner-wise.com
http://www.gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm

And to think I'm happy with a 10mm upper for my AR! Is that .50 going to be a carbine or a pistola?

These AR uppers. One requires a whole upper, bolt face and magazine, the other uses the .223 upper, bolt face and magazine.

Both look fun to me
;)

That article "2600 ft/lbs, more powerfull than a assault weapon, ect..." ran in our local paper up here in Spokane, WA, The Spokesman Review or as I like to call it the "Socialist Review".
The papers accross the country must have pulled it off the A.P. wire.
Why didn't we see this problem with the 50 Desert Eagle. After all it is a "automatic" and not a revolver.

Will

At 37 Ft-lbs of recoil and this is probaly low since I don't know how much powder is in them-guessed at 40 gr!!! I'll pass!! My 454 only gives me 26 ft-lbs and thats enough-thank you. Now when you folks get one and start shooting it please ensure you video tape it and submit it to Real TV so we can all see how you broke your arm and can't hunt this fall.:D That way the guy's can't say your a "P"wipped man and couldn't get a "Kitchen Pass" to go hunting-you'll have proof on video:D

GO, SMITH & WESSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well guys, I guess I'am one of those nuts who want to try to break my wrist!
I've put an order in for a 500 S&W. I've been waiting and hoping S&W would build a 454 or some kind of big bore to compete with the others out there, and now they have.
I just have to have one. Since I cast and load my own, I will definitly have to load for it. I'am a hard cast bullet fan and cast them for my .44's, so I think it will be fun. I'am getting the 500 S&W for $879., then I'll have to buy dies, mould, and brass. I'll try the Hoag grips that come with it, but I don't like finger groove grips, so I will probably order a set of Jordan Troopers from Herrett's. I have them on all my .44's (6), they're much better at taming recoil than the Hoags.
At least these Hoags cover the back strap, but we will see.:)
I'm not sure how this works but here's a pic my 629 Master Hunter, I think.

I agree that this is probably going to be more than most folks can shoot accuratley, and it likely provides more power than 99.999% ,or so, of shooters need or can use. I won't bash this cannon. I was a little skeptical at first, but I came to the relization that many people own 50's,480's,475's,454's and even the "lowly" 44's, that reduce the loading for most of their shooting, so I don't see how that doesn't apply here. It may be something of a challenge to load down because of the huge case, but that's all part of the fun. The bottom line is this:When we see politicians trying to ban something, we probably should buy it or encourage others to do so. This helps the industry stand up to the leftist filth who would disarm everyone, be it from lawsuits or legislation.

Everybody,

Thanks for great information. :)

Only time will tell if this new revolver and round will make it.

In my option, if I had the buck$ to get a big revolver I would get the 45-70 from Magnum Research.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/old/bfr01.html

My I suggest the BFR in 450 Marlin like mine? :D

Have the .500 Linebaugh in a Redhawk; love it. Most of my shooting with it is with the lighter load. Even with the gun weighing 55oz the full power stuff is definitely not for the limp-wristed. :D Think I will wait for a good deal on a "slightly used" one before getting the new S&W.
Mark

There is "customer appreciation day" at the indoor range I belong coming up next weekend. The S&W rep is supposed to be there with latest and greatest. Hopefully I'll be able to fire the new beast, or at least get a look at it. The HK rep will have guns to test drive, but I'm not sure about Smith. I'll let you know what I find out or experience with this revolver.

kciH
I would be very surprised if they had a shooting example of the 50 cal there!!! And I doupt they'd let the public shoot it, they'll want you to buy it so atleast they'd have the money in there pocket so if you couldn't or didn't want it any more you'd have to sell it to some other "person"!! :rolleyes: If they do I want to here how many brave souls shoot it an survive with out breaking there arm or imbedding the sights in there forhead?:D Then again if I was S&W I'd bring some mild loads just to sucker some sales!! Ask to chrony the shots see what they say?

Hi, Gents:
A picture of a lady with the S&W 1911A1 and the .500 hand cannon. http://www.shotshowreports.com/images/2003/Teresa.JPG

Bye
Jack

Gunnut,
I was at the indoor range with my wife today. I inquired as to would they have the new gun and got and affirmative response. The news didn't sounds as good when I inquired as to whether it would be available for a test drive. I'll keep you posted. My wife has taken a liking to my .41 Mag Bisley, she says it's not too bad, until an hour or so later and her wrist starts to aching. I don't think she'll be in line to try the .500 if available, I know she wouldn't touch the .480 Ruger I tried last month. I guess it gives a more impressive appearance when you're standing behind someone and actually see how much it rocks their upper body. I thought the recoil of the .480 in the big Raging Bull was not too bad in such a big gun. Wouldn't be my first choice for a day of casual plinking or putting a few hundred rounds through.

I ordered one of the .500 S/W's I have everything to reload it. I sold my Ruger 454 Casull when I heard of the S/W500. I heard the recoil is close to a Super Redhawk 454 without a muzzle break. The muzzle break and weight should help a lot with this gun. I can't wait to get it. :)

WELL-- WHATS TO SAY--GETTING HARD TO GO UP WITH ANYTHING NEW ON THIS SUBJECT. HOWEVER- AS FAR AS THAT JERK DAVIS FROM ILL. GOES, I WOULD INVITE ALL OF YOU TO READ NICKI FELLENZERS LETTER TO HIM ON "ARMEDFEMALESOF AMERCIA.COM" -- AS FOR THOSE WHO THINK THEY KNOW HOW I CAN SHOOT-- I DOUBT IF MOST OF THEM HAVE EVER HELD A GUN, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET BETTER THAN EVEN MOMEY I CAN SHOOT BETTER LEFT HANDED AT 60 YEARS OF AGE THAN ANY OF THEM COULD EVER THINK ABOUT. YOU DON'T WANT ONE, FINE, LAST TIME I HEARD THERE WAS A SOMETHING OVER 10,000 ON BACKORDER OF THOSE OF US WHO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE LAST TIME YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYTHING TO BEAT THAT. AND I DON'T MEAN BEANIE BABIES.

I was at the near bye sporting store a few days ago, One of the sales men I know said, Hey Rick I bet you will own one of these soon and winked, this was the 500 S&W, I said I'm all set with my 454 Casul SRH, The 500 S&W don't gain that much and there is nothing the 500 can do that my 454 Casull can't.In regards to hunting, I must say the S&W triggers are nice but never like there frames, this was always the weak link of the chain with me, nothing can beet a Ruger for durability and price ;), hey it only took me a 1000 rounds to break her in, and the more I shoot, the smoother the ruger gets, and I need durability with all the hot stuff I'm always hammering through that Ruger;) Aim small hit small. RAMbo.

The 500 S&W as compared to the 500 Linebaugh Long is almost identical. The velocities between the two are the same. The bore diameter of the 500 S&W is 0.501, the same as the 50AE. The 500 Linebaugh bore diameter is 0.512. The case length of the 500 S&W is 1.62. The case length of the 500 Linebaugh is 1.60. The rim diameter of the 500 S&W is 0.004 smaller than the 500 Linebaugh.

Now, when S&W brought out the 44, we couldn't get any larger, but we did with the 454 Casull. A couple years ago, we got the 480, 475 and a bunch of stuff of the BFR frame. Why is everybody making such a fuss about how much recoil this gun will have?

After saying all that, I will tell you my thoughts. John Taffin wrote "My normal procedure was to shoot the test rounds early in the morning and in every case I found myself needing to lie down and recoup by afternoon". Well, I disagree with him. I own a 500 Linebaugh Long and I do not find it that difficult to shoot. As compared to my friends 475, his 475 has a louder crack upon shooting and sharper recoil. My 500 is like shooting an oversized 45 Colt. It has a deep boom and a push in the recoil. The recoil is felt, but it is by no means unmanagable. Everything I have read on the 500 S&W says the same thing about this gun. So, I think if you can shoot a 44 you can learn to shoot a 500 S&W.

The 500 S&W I feel does have a place as a tool for the handgun hunter. It's a large gun but I think it would be more managable as far as packing and shooting than a Contender or something similar with the advantage of an extra four rounds.

Thank you for your time.

The S&W 500 will hold up just fine to this powerful round. They consulted Dan Wesson about building this gun and have incorporated a lot of Dan Wesson features (like the barrel and shroud arrangement that makes Dan Wessons so accurate, except the S&W barrel and shroud are permanently attached and not interchangeable) The case length is identical to the Dan Wesson Supermag series (1.6"). The frame dimensions are nearly identical to the Dan Wesson frame. The rifling is even reversed from other S&W's so that the recoil impulse from the bullet hitting the forcing cone tends to rotate the gun in the direction that closes the crane assembly instead of opening it. This gun is very well designed for heavy loads (unlike the 29), if S&W executes it with their typical high quality, this should be a real fine weapon.

Check this page for more details:
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/008281.html

The 445 Supermag is about as big a revolver as is practical to me. I think I will stick with my Dan Wesson 7445 and let you guys knock yourself out on this new S&W.

Roll Tide

I just bought a new Smith & Wesson Model 500 Friday. I also picked up a couple boxes of UltraMax Match ammo, 440 grain FNL but @ $38/12 I need to find dies post haste.
I took it, my Ruger Super Redhawk chambered in .454 Casull and my IMI Desert Eagle chambered in the 50AE to an indoor range near here. My goal was to make an objective assessment of the S&W by comparing it to my other two hand cannons.

The recoil of the S&W was significant, but overshadowed by the fact the rear of the trigger guard would hit my middle finger hard each time I fired her. I had shooting gloves on and it still hurt, I’m going to have to find away around this or live with the discomfort. It didn’t help with “anticipation flinch” either. Accuracy was acceptable from what I could discern. Not sure if the recoil was too much greater than the .454 Casull but the brake seemed to tame muzzle climb quite efficiently. Actually, with open sights I was able to print tighter groups with the Ruger; but then again I contribute this to my relative familiarity to the cartridge.

So now it’s time to break out the Desert Eagle for contrast. I squeezed off one magazines’ worth of 50AE that I recently reloaded. Relatively hot; 325 grains pushed out by 34 grains of Hodgdons H110. They produced a tremendously loud report and huge yellow fireballs nearly six feet long! No exaggeration. Other shooters were standing behind me in awe (probably mad too). Before I was able to load a second magazine I was kicked out of the range. Heck, I didn’t know they didn’t allow anything bigger than .44 magnums there.

Pictures of the three, plus a Para-Ordnance P10-45 for contrast.

http://members.cox.net/stevenaz1/4holes.jpg

Well now there are at least 3 S&W 500's here in Arizona. ( VP of S&W had the first, I had #2)

I was shooting some of the 440g ultramax today and I noticed they dont have the same kick as the 440g from Corbon.

Lucky I have a ton of brass now and some 440 cast comming in so I can reload and not pay the REDICULES prices for each shot! :eek:

Well now there are at least 3 S&W 500's here in Arizona. ( VP of S&W had the first, I had #2)

I was shooting some of the 440g ultramax today and I noticed they dont have the same kick as the 440g from Corbon.

Lucky I have a ton of brass now and some 440 cast comming in so I can reload and not pay the REDICULES prices for each shot! :eek:
GREAT Post!
I read a serious amount of envy in this (4) page thread, the Smith Sledgehammer is chambered for an available Factory Cartridge, the .500 LInebaugh Long isn't!
Personally I prefer a modern DA over the cowboy guns (yes I own a Linebaugh) and the S&W .500 is far more comfortable to fire with top loads since muzzle rise even with a looser grip only raises the muzzle about 30% as opposed the the cowboy Linebaugh which can and will dent a forehead or ding your ear!
The best online source for.500 Sledgehammer info is at
http\\john-ross.net

GREAT Post!
I read a serious amount of envy in this (4) page thread, the Smith Sledgehammer is chambered for an available Factory Cartridge, the .500 LInebaugh Long isn't!
Personally I prefer a modern DA over the cowboy guns (yes I own a Linebaugh) and the S&W .500 is far more comfortable to fire with top loads since muzzle rise even with a looser grip only raises the muzzle about 30% as opposed the the cowboy Linebaugh which can and will dent a forehead or ding your ear!
The best online source for.500 Sledgehammer info is at
http\\john-ross.net
I neglected to mention that Mtn View Sports has in stock the dies, bullets (440s) and brass.
The Sledgehammer created quite a stir at Rabbit Creek Sunday last! .50 slugs weighing 440gns clocking 1700fps!

I neglected to mention that Mtn View Sports has in stock the dies, bullets (440s) and brass.
The Sledgehammer created quite a stir at Rabbit Creek Sunday last! .50 slugs weighing 440gns clocking 1700fps!



... Where are you guys getting ammo? Easier to find chickens teeth!

... Where are you guys getting ammo? Easier to find chickens teeth!


ORDER STARLINE BRASS
ORDER 440g CAST FROM CAST PERFORMANCE

I liked the gun at the factory and received my SN in July. I like this gun. However, geting ammo was difficult at first. Cor-bon manufactured the original bullets. As PR goes Cor-bon sucks. Later Buffalo Bore has come out with bullets. Cor-bon makes the 275gr but both companies make a 400/440 gr bullet. I have heard that Barnes makes a 325 gr bullet that has been successfully used in hunting game.
I print 3-shot groups in 2-2.5 inches at 50 yds. Nonetheless, it is a handful and quick follow-up shots are not yet in my ability. I need more practice.
nOW, i NEED DIES. RCBS has some dies but I am waiting to see if Redding will come out with a set.

500 Smith and Wesson Magnum

Have you seen this?

Have you seen any info. from Smith & Weson?

WWW Link:
http://www.cor-bon.com/500s&W.htm

Form cor-bon Web Site:

http://www.cor-bon.com/500sw275barnes.jpg
275gr Barnes X
Velocity 1665fps
Energy 1688ft/lbs


http://www.cor-bon.com/500sw400hawk.jpg
400gr Hawk SP
Velocity 1675fsp
Energy 2500ft/lbs

http://www.cor-bon.com/500sw440hc.jpg
440gr HC Cast Performance
Velocity 1625fps
Energy 2580ft/lbs

Arthur500,
here is the reply I received from Redding on the question of dies.

Hi Steven.

Thank you for your interest in Redding Reloading Equipment. We hope to
have dies available for the 500 S&W and 480 RUGER early next year.

Regards,

Patrick T. Ryan

Is this a "High pressure" round like the Casull?

NO! Lower pressure - bigger combustion chamber. The HIGHEST pressure I can find is 50,600 using Hodgdon Titegroup. I use H110 and it runs around 49,000 lbs on a 440g cast. 325 grain cast runs around 48-49,000lbs.

454 runs 53,700 with H110 300g

I finally chronographed my .500 Martin last weekend (.500" on a .50 Alaskan case). Using the standard 10.5" BFR barrel, I topped out at 1,685 fps with a 505 grain WFN (3,184 fpe). Even without a brake, the gun was manageable.

Lee Martin
www.singleactions.com

Hello again,
Sunday last we had count them six S&W .500s at the range in Anchorage!
While $800.00-$900.00 ain't exactly cheap even these days it's a bargain when compared to the rates charged by Bowen-Linebaugh-Reeder-Clements-Huntington-etc for a Custom yank & crank...ummmm single action in one of the fifty calibre wildcats.
Ammo for the .500 S&W is now available from more than several vendors and even WallyWorld (Wal-Mart) sells it here.
Pardon the reality check gentlemen but Where can one but loaded .500 Linebaugh or .500 Linebaugh Long?
PS, watch the used market cuz like the 454 Casull there are already a few "slightly" used Smith .500s on the market! I saw one change hands yesterday that was fired 20 times and came complete with four boxes of ammo and a Bianchi Terminator shoulder rig for $800.00

REALLY?

I shoot 454 casull and do you think i could shoot a 500 sw without injuring myself?.......Great.
I would like try a 500 SW.






The 500 S&W as compared to the 500 Linebaugh Long is almost identical. The velocities between the two are the same. The bore diameter of the 500 S&W is 0.501, the same as the 50AE. The 500 Linebaugh bore diameter is 0.512. The case length of the 500 S&W is 1.62. The case length of the 500 Linebaugh is 1.60. The rim diameter of the 500 S&W is 0.004 smaller than the 500 Linebaugh.

Now, when S&W brought out the 44, we couldn't get any larger, but we did with the 454 Casull. A couple years ago, we got the 480, 475 and a bunch of stuff of the BFR frame. Why is everybody making such a fuss about how much recoil this gun will have?

After saying all that, I will tell you my thoughts. John Taffin wrote "My normal procedure was to shoot the test rounds early in the morning and in every case I found myself needing to lie down and recoup by afternoon". Well, I disagree with him. I own a 500 Linebaugh Long and I do not find it that difficult to shoot. As compared to my friends 475, his 475 has a louder crack upon shooting and sharper recoil. My 500 is like shooting an oversized 45 Colt. It has a deep boom and a push in the recoil. The recoil is felt, but it is by no means unmanagable. Everything I have read on the 500 S&W says the same thing about this gun. So, I think if you can shoot a 44 you can learn to shoot a 500 S&W.

The 500 S&W I feel does have a place as a tool for the handgun hunter. It's a large gun but I think it would be more managable as far as packing and shooting than a Contender or something similar with the advantage of an extra four rounds.

Thank you for your time.

Try Montana Bullet Works. 7730 Hesper Road
Billings, MT 59106
406-655-8163 Dave Jenkins
MTLeadhead@aol.com
A lot cheaper the Cast Performance. I have used the 440 gr. and 400 gr. They work great. He make Rifle and Pistol Bullets any cal. He will send you a price list upon request. Here is a small list of just the .50 cal bullets for the S&W500.

Per 100 Per 500
50 cal LBT 440 LFN-GC $19.00 $90.00
50 cal LBT 420 WFN-GC $19.00 $90.00
50 cal NEI 400 SWC-GC $19.00 $90.00
50 cal RCBS 340 FNB $11.75 $53.75

I have been extremely pleased with the recoil of my 500. I recently added a scope, and the recoil, with the Ultramax 330gr I have been shooting, doesn't feel much greater than my 38. I have touched off a few Corbon 440gr, and you know youre sending a big chunk of lead out of the barrel. After a few of these, my finger below the trigger guard was a little sore, buy it is one of those 'good' pains.

I had the opportunity to try a .500 on Sunday, using the Cor-Bon 275-grain and 400-grain loads. Felt recoil is no more uncomfortable to me than a Super Blackhawk with factory stocks. I could shoot as many of the lighter Barnes X-bullet loads as someone else would care to buy for me. :D The 400's are stout recoiling and you wouldn't want to spend an afternoon of casual plinking with them, but 50 rounds normally spaced over a few strings of fire wouldn't be anything overwhelming.

Now to the gun itself. It would be even more controllable if S&W would ditch the "K-frame" round butt configuration and return to a true square butt. The gun is so muzzle heavy that combined with the dinky RB makes for an unwieldy handgun. At least to me. I do like the new Triple Lock-style of crane. Very nice and something that would be appreciated by N-frame aficianados as well. The black-on-black, Patridge and plain notch sights are excellent. The detachable compensator on the example I shot didn't fit that well, considering the gun's pricetag.

All in all, an interesting gun but not one I'd add to my own collection.

I want a bayonet lug on mine in case i run out of ammo

just gotta say this, these Dems. are calling it an "Assault weapon" would S&W make a random hand cannon, market it to the public for killing people? NO! theres no reason! im sorry but these extremests need to flipping go away!

Extremists never go away.

Extremists never go away.

Valid point, i wish they would though, what is the point of banning the 500 magnum? there are bigger bullets, there are bullets with high velocity's. do they want to just ban all of our hunting calibers?

Ignorace is the fertile ground in which the liberal sprouts like a common weed. :o

Ignorace is the fertile ground in which the liberal sprouts like a common weed. :o

So true! and my father says "YES!!!"

Valid point, i wish they would though, what is the point of banning the 500 magnum? there are bigger bullets, there are bullets with high velocity's. do they want to just ban all of our hunting calibers?


Yes! Any excuse will do when your goal is to ban all guns.

The 500 S&W is an easily controlled hunting firearm.

I have a scope on mine in Warne mounts. Only loaded max loads so far. Heavier recoil than my FA 454, but the 454 is quicker in the recoil, and moves much more, past 90 (past my left ear) the S&W 500 moves approx 45, but I still feel more exhaustet after shooting 25-30 shots with that than the 454.

This is my family of 500 Magnums. The little guy is the loudest gun I have ever fired, nice flame is bellows too!

This is my family of 500 Magnums. The little guy is the loudest gun I have ever fired, nice flame is bellows too!


Nice family!!!!

I think my 500 whants an little brother.

Now then you and all of the hunters, whitch bullet + weight are you use?? If you hunting servel animals so give me an list over the bullets you think are the most useful....

Thanks

MrHunter, I am not a handgun hunter because my state will not allow handgun hunting except on private land. I have read if you use a 275 or 350 gn HP, the bullets will go thru deer and pig sized animals. It will make the 50 caliber entry hole and will make an exit hole the size of your fist. There will be some meat loss because of the hollow points. I would go with a 400 grain soft point and feel the meat loss would be much less, of course the bullet will not be recovered either. If standing with big bears or other large dangerous animals go with the 440 hard cast bullet. This bullet will not deform and will give you 3 feet or more of penetration, depending on what bones/mussle you hit on the way in.

Same for me, it´s not allow in my country too.. But for self defens then I are hunting. Servel human had bear contact this year, and one dead. He shoot the bear 3 times but only injured it. Thanks for the information about the bullet choice.
/ Andreas

MrHunter, I am not a handgun hunter because my state will not allow handgun hunting except on private land. I have read if you use a 275 or 350 gn HP, the bullets will go thru deer and pig sized animals. It will make the 50 caliber entry hole and will make an exit hole the size of your fist. There will be some meat loss because of the hollow points. I would go with a 400 grain soft point and feel the meat loss would be much less, of course the bullet will not be recovered either. If standing with big bears or other large dangerous animals go with the 440 hard cast bullet. This bullet will not deform and will give you 3 feet or more of penetration, depending on what bones/mussle you hit on the way in.