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silvertipmo
06-06-2008, 08:23 PM
I want to start a thread, a discussion, a sharing; of our experiences and approaches; NOT an argument on the Bible. It might seem that the Bible is the subject of this thread; it is not. The subject is our approach to the Bible, how we interact with the Bible. I’m thinking we can learn from each other; not an “our Bible is bigger than your Bible” thread.

I’m going into some detail because I suspect others might find some of these practices profitable. Our society has become so secular that many have lost the habit of practicing daily devotions and only look to the bare minimum, so long as it doesn’t interfere with TV. I believe that Bible reading should be practiced as a daily devotion. I also think it is important that our children be raised not only reading the Bible, but SEEING their parents reading the Bible.

I’m wanting to hear your practices of reading, studying and praying the Bible; and will start by sharing some of ours. We have a basic requirement, and then a WHOLE LOT of elective options. Follows the risk part of this thread. I want to hear yours, and will start by telling you some of ours.

Basic minimum for us is the “Holy Days of Obligation” mass readings. We are supposed to attend mass on Sundays, and certain other “feast” days (sometimes fall on Sunday, and sometimes during the week; also some optional, personal feasts and memorials). Call it roughly 60 masses a year, say 240 passages a year. We are encouraged to read, and study, these passages before hand. Basically there are four passages per these masses (three in most other, optional, masses) an Old Testament passage (though not always), a Psalm, a New Testament letter passage, and a Gospel passage. Basically, our mass is a combination of the old Jewish service and the “new” Christian service. Breaks into two parts: liturgy of the Word (Jewish) and liturgy of the Eucharist (Christian).

The Psalm (responsorial; reading breaks between lector and the congregation; the congregation’s part to add emphasis for interpretation) sets the interpretation for both the Old Testament passage and the Gospel passage. Gospel interpreted in context of the Old Testament. Without any sermon, the juxtaposition of the passages amounts to a sermon in itself. One reason we should study them before hand. The homily (sermon) may follow this pattern, or go off as the priest sees fit. Frequently, the homily explains some parts, not readily apparent, and adds more context. This is our minimum. We are encouraged, but not required, to go further.

One step further is studying the passages for the other, roughly, 300 masses each year. Passages are published in missals, two for the daily masses and a third for the Holy Days of Obligation. Missals have commentaries; our Bibles have further commentaries, and cross references to other Bible passages. Daily masses have a somewhat different composition and only three readings.

Beyond this is a myriad of personal, daily reading practices. Simplest is start at the beginning, read to the end, then repeat. Encouraged practice of ½ hour per day amounts to making it through about once a year, if one reads straight through. Encouraged to read Bible ½ hour per day, beyond that is left open.

Another is to read a Gospel passage in context of Old Testament passages. An example would be the Gospel of John, chapter 7, verses 37-39, in context of Ezekiel, chapter 47, verses 1-12, and Isaiah, chapter 12, verses 3-6. Can work through an entire gospel this way, by the passages referenced in the notes.

Another is to read a verse, then say a prayer while meditating on that verse, for 10-50 verses at a time. Runs in a series of 45, ten verse passages (read/prayed over nine to forty five days). Each passage makes a point, and the passages taken together make a point. This is a combination of Bible study, the rosary and novena.
This is set up to be done individually, or as a group; family or small prayer group. Each verse, and prayer, breaks into two parts: a leader and the group response; leader position rotates through the group. Advantage of group is moving faster, less digression in the meditations, and the group bond and discussion afterwards. Advantage of the individual practice is more depth.


Another is Lectio Divina. This is a four stage process. Abridged from a Carmelite site:
“… first stage is lectio (reading) where we read the Word of God, slowly and reflectively so that it sinks into us.
The second stage is meditatio (reflection) where we think about the text we have chosen and ruminate upon it so that we take from it what God wants to give us.
The third stage is oratio (response) where we leave our thinking aside and simply let our hearts speak to God. This response is inspired by our reflection on the Word of God.
The final stage of Lectio Divina is contemplatio (rest) where we let go not only of our own ideas, plans and meditations but also of our holy words and thoughts. We simply rest in the Word of God. We listen at the deepest level of our being to God who speaks within us with a still small voice. As we listen, we are gradually transformed from within. Obviously this transformation will have a profound effect on the way we actually live and the way we live is the test of the authenticity of our prayer. We must take what we read in the Word of God into our daily lives.”
This is also worked out as either an individual or a group practice. Group practice entails passage read several times, by persons of different gender, and group sharing of insights.

What is your practice?

Eric M.
06-07-2008, 09:05 PM
My practice is the same as yours since I'm Catholic too.
I try to read the passages at Nursing Homes, Assisted Living Homes, and to the Homebound.
This way we can share the Bible with each other.
This doesn't always work when I am at a Memory Care Center, but I do it anyway.
Many times, people with extreme memory problems won't know their families, but will recite the Rosary better than I can.
It can be unbelievable.
This happened just last Wed. with three women at a Assisted Living, and Memory Care Facility.

Eric

Kart29
06-09-2008, 08:53 AM
First, I think "devotion" is an internal characteristic, not something I do. I know the term "devotions" is used by many Christians to describe their daily bible reading and prayer. I just don't like using that term as I think it implies that our daily bible reading is a personal ritual intended to prove our level of devotion to our God. And, of course, our daily bible reading is not intended for this purpose at all.

Our church recommends and encourages personal bible study and prayer for all believers - pereferably daily. Our last Sunday School quarter was spent on showing people a particular method of really studying the bible rather than just reading over it. But, the church doesn't officially prescribe, recommend, or require anything in particular. Each believer is left to work it out between himself and his God. But, the pastors and elders would be eager to offer assistance and suggestions to anyone who asked for guidance and structure in their personal study of the bible and walk with God. There's plenty of leading available for anyone who would like to make use of it. We have a library and a literature table full of various daily bible study and prayer guides. You can choose one that fits you best.

My own personal, individual reading and meditation on the bible is very pathetic; I"m embarassed to say. It took me about 5 years just to read through the Old Testament and I haven't yet made any progress at all in reading through the New Testament. I do somewhat better at prayer. I frequently have daily prayer while I'm in the shower getting ready for work in the morning. But, often I get started praying in the shower and then my mind wanders. My wife and I pray aloud together a couple of times per week, maybe. I do read the bible some, and I manage to learn some about God from his word, on my own, independant of the Sunday sermons and weekly bible study meetings. But, I admit my personal commitment to regularly searching the scripture and seeking to learn about God by studying his Word is greatly lacking.

Honestly, I get VERY frustrated whenever I try to study the bible. I ALWAYS seem to come away with far more unanswered questions and confusion than I come away feeling like I've gained some new insight into God's nature or understanding of man's relationship to Him. When I read the bible, I try to just persuade myself to skip over all the things that give me confusion and lead to unanswered questions. Sometimes I read things that leave me confused and then years later I will start to piece things together in a way that will clear up my confusion. I guess I'm saying I've learned not to focus on and worry about all the things I don't understand yet, and be happy for the little bit I do learn as I read the bible. The level of wisdom in the bible is so deep that there's no way any man can fully understand it all. It's a continual learning process for every one of us.

I know some people dislike arguing about theology. But really, discussions amongst my friends has caused me to search the scriptures and study and learn more than anything else, lately.

JR1
06-09-2008, 09:06 AM
I read nearly every day...usually just reading thru the Bible cover to cover again. Have probably done that 5-6 times I'd guess by now over 25 years...and look at other passages from time to time during the day. Billy Graham was asked what made him different. He said, "I'm not different. I only do two things: I pray without ceasing, even as I'm speaking right now, and I search the scriptures at all times. The Bible is never out of my reach." And I thought, geez, that's it? I can do that. So I try.

I do suggest a good Study Bible of your choosing to help you sort thru the challenges, and in something resembling a modern language that you speak!

Sask boy
06-10-2008, 11:40 AM
Hi, I read a morning devotional through Promise Keepers and I also read from both the OT & NT dialy. The translation I am study from is the NLT ( New Living Translation).
God has asked us (maybe commanded us to read his truth) and that can only be done through the Bible.

silvertipmo
06-25-2008, 08:43 PM
I began thinking about this thread because I wanted to share some practices I thought might be of interest to others, and wanted to hear the practices of others; but held off. When 308shtr began posting our daily readings, I decided to post it because it would explain, somewhat, what those readings are.

God calls to us in many ways. When one gets through, we pay attention. That paying attention is what is meant in “Catholic speak” by a “devotion”. It is paying attention to a way that God has gotten through to us. Most are regular: daily, weekly, monthly or annually. And many are quite short. All are personal.

As we gain new life experiences, more of the Bible comes alive for us, in many ways. It reads very differently now, than 20 years ago, than 40 years ago. Answers are more useful, when one knows the questions. Passages come alive in new ways, as we see them in context of other passages, and our lives. The whole point of the daily readings is to familiarize us with a fair amount of the Bible, in context of other parts, to give us a base; for our experiences, and growth in God; and to keep our faith well rounded (too easy to just concentrate on our favorite parts). Doesn’t hurt to attend those masses, and hear the homilies, either.

I thought some would find the other practices interesting. Especially those involving the whole family; in reading, prayer and discussion.

BradS
07-25-2008, 04:55 AM
Great Thread
I can relate to much of what has been shared. I have been inconsistent in providing for a devotion time over the past 20 years. During the Sunday School year, Sept through May, I study the Bible regularly in preparation for teaching. This provides a time of devotion as well as completes the lesson for the coming week. I have found that the Bible is three dimensional. In that I mean, like what Silvertipmo indicated, as my experiences impact me, as God opens my eyes and my perspective on life changes, the same passage in the Bible that I read long ago, now has a completely different impact. That was not to say the earlier interpretation I had of a passage was wrong or off base, but now is looked at and applied to my life in a different way. That is what is so great about our God and His word, it is alive and changes as His Light is reflected off it for me to see. (Clarification, the change comes from my interpretation that He is influencing).

At work another Christian and I arrive early. There are three of us who meet for a quick meeting each day. When the meeting is complete, one of the men heads to take care of some minor items. The other man and I head to one of our offices, close the door and pray over the day, the staff and the various tasks that are ahead of us during the day. We would like to do this more consistently, however, we do it often enough. We see how God is working in our staff and the progress that is made on a number of fronts within our company. Our goal is to bring the third man into our prayer group, then slowly expand to the other staff as God leads.

As with the rest of the Day I am in a attitude of constant prayer where I go to God with petitions both major and minor along with regular praise items as they arrive. I have found His answers to prayer constant. I have also found this attitude keeps me on track and focused, serving Him with only occasional temptations to accede to temptation. :)

Brad S
Hebrews 10:39

LBR
07-25-2008, 06:07 AM
I have a Bible study table set up with several different translations, commentaries, dictionaries, prayer books, study guides, and other reference books. My bookshelves are full of other Bibles and reference books. I follow a Bible study plan and read that prayerfully. Sometimes it's once a day, sometimes several. I have some prayer books, hymnals, and other Bible study helps which belonged to great-grandparents, grandparents, great-aunts, and so on. I love knowing that their footsteps are helping mine. The passages and insights of the day come to mind at different times during the day, and at night. I find them comforting, uplifting, nourishing, strengthening, and crucial to living life. It is very dear to me.

Excellent thread idea. Thanks for starting it.

BradS
07-28-2008, 12:45 PM
I forgot to add in my prior reply that my wife and I try to have a devotion together right before we end the day. We went through Night Lights by James Dobson and his wife and are currently working through another devotion that we picked up after attending a Family Life weekend conference. The devotions include scripture, a topic and questions for my spouse and I to talk about. It really brings us together, ending the day in a very relaxing way.

I would recommend strongly have a devotion time with your wife if you do not already do so.

Brad S
Hebrews 10:39

Sask boy
07-29-2008, 08:01 AM
Nettie (wife) & I every morning also read from the NT and right now we are going with the book of John. We try and rotate with different translations everyday.
But use our NLT mostly for the understanding.

MontyF
07-29-2008, 09:01 AM
As a new Christian I'm still searching and trying to work into a daily routine. Attending all services with the local body of believers is important to me and feel doing that is being obedient to the Word as stated in Heb 10:25. I've read through the Bible once and working on my second time through. Daily reading is needed if you are going to be effective in this world for Christ and again is showing obedience to the Lord, "study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed but rightly dividing the word of truth", 2Tim 2:25. Also profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God is complete and able to do good works as seen in 2 Tim 3:16-17.

Taking time to pray is my weakness and I'm needing to work on that area. I do pray for heath and healing of loved ones, thank God for answered prayers, ask for help, pray for our nation ect. I need to spend time in fellowship with the Lord through prayer.

At this point in my walk I have way more questions than answers. I just know that those who are faithful to the end will be saved, Rev 2:10, Heb 10:23.

Sask boy
07-29-2008, 05:57 PM
Hey MontyF, I am a neighbour just north of the border.
I have been a Christian for just over 5 years and I still have way to many questions, I really believe that I will have too many questions until I see my Lord in person. Once I see him I will be in such awe I will likely forgot all the questions I have for him.
The good thing is that God gives us many chances and establishing a personal relationship with him is easy. I pray to him at least once per hour and remember it is your best friend that you are talking to.
This forum is great as there are so many scholars and so many of them will help you with any question. So keep asking and I know the answers will come, we are all on the same quest.