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gcollins
06-17-2008, 06:10 AM
I am hopeing on selling a pair of my pistols, And the guns I realy like are the 1851 Navy U.S. Marshall's that you can see at Cabela's. But what I am asking of you guys, does anyone convert these to Cartridge type?
Lets say they don't, I see you can buy spare cyclinders, but do you have to take the gun apart like my 72 open top to change the cyclinder?
Has or does anyone shoot these guns, and if so how do they shoot? I love my 72 open tops!
I would be more than great full for any and all help??
This is new ground for me, never been around BP, I have been reloading for 32 years, but never messed with Smoke.
Thanks Greg
Pete D.
06-17-2008, 12:27 PM
I do not know how difficult it is to remove a cylinder from a model 72. I have a 1858 New Police and the switch takes only a moment. I pop out the BP cylinder and pop in the Centerfire conversion or a spare BP cylinder and I'm ready to shoot. Is the model 72 more difficult than that?
Pete
faucettb
06-17-2008, 01:03 PM
Greg if this is an add to sell your guns you might want to put it in the trading post.
gcollins
06-17-2008, 01:25 PM
Pete, How does your 58 new police compare to the 5b Navy US Marshalls?
My 72's are a factory cartridge gun, and to take the cyclinder out you turn a screw on the left hand side and knock out the slide and take the barrel of, not something you would wat to do at the range unless you needed to do repairs! I take by what you said, you can open the lever and take the cylinder out?
Bob, The pair of pistols that I refered to, has nothing to do with the question I was asking, I am sorry if you read more into that than there was! I wanting to know if someone makes a conversion for the 58 Navy US Marshalls, and also how the cyclinders come out of them, I would not part with my 72's, i just have deal working, and if I get the reference pair I mentioned sold, I was wanting a pair of those 58's but would want to shoot cartrige instead of CB.
Greg
Marshal Kane
06-17-2008, 03:43 PM
Greg, R&D gunshop www.randdgunshop.com (http://www.randdgunshop.com) offers .38 Long Colt cylinder conversion kits for both Pietta and Uberti 1851 Navy clones but at $225 per cylinder over the cost of the basic gun, is this really what you want? IMO, you would be better served by just buying extra BP cylinders and yes, you have to take the gun apart to use these. During the cap and ball era, it was not unusual for people to carry extra cylinders. It was much faster to reload with a previously loaded extra cylinder than to load the empty one in the gun. Hope this is the info that you are looking for. Best wishes.
gcollins
06-17-2008, 04:15 PM
MK, So the 51Navy you have to turn the screw1/2 turn and tap out the locking lug, to change cylinders, is that right?
Thanks
Greg
I second what Marshal Kane said and will add that you can find used conversion cylinders at prices much better than new. Some of these conversions have a loading gate, so you don't have to pull the cylinder to reload. You may have to make modifications depending on which model you are doing this to. Also, you must make sure the cylinder is the right one for the brand of revolver you have. A cylinder made for a Pietta will not fit an Uberti frame, however, if you can only find a good deal on a Pietta cylinder and you have an Uberti, you can have your gun smith lathe off the 3/1000" or so from the face to make it fit. You'll just have to reblue the face where the metal was removed.
Last, the conversion cylinder are only for loads that are on par pressure-wise with the old black powder loads. Do not exceed the safe operating limits.
To find used cylinders, try sassnet.com, CAS City, or log on to one of your local CAS club's websites and see if any of the members have what you're looking for.
Hope this helps;
SFT, SASS# 35973
Marshal Kane
06-18-2008, 03:25 PM
First, you would draw the hammer to half-cock in order to retract the cylinder bolt so that the cylinder can be removed. Then you drive out the barrel wedge in order to remove the barrel and the cylinder. Last, you replace the empty cylinder with a charged one, replace the barrel and drive in the wedge. I can't be sure if you turn the screw to tap out the wedge. I believe the screw in my .44 cal. 1860 Colt clone is just there to prevent the wedge from getting lost and my wedge will tap out enough to remove the barrel. Hope this helps.
gcollins
06-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Thanks, that is what i thought! i think i will just make a nice secure loading platform, and just reload that a way! i am funny about things but everytime you take that barrel causes some wear on the parts!
Thanks Greg
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