I took this Pig at 350 yards with my 300 Win shooting 180 grain TSX bullets. The Pig was quartering toward me and the bullet hit the ribs at the shoulder junction and simply removed them and opened this guy up big time.

Picture a bit messy - MikeG, site admin

Dang. Looks like it's easy pickin's for the coyotes and buzzards!!!! :eek:

I've seen them hit with a .50 BMG. There isn't much difference.

nice... i'm assuming that he didn't run far?

Nice gutting job. Just out of plain ol' curiosity, what do you suppose the bullet velocity was at impact? Do you have those external ballistics?

Grizz

I know I am getting old and blind but you guys are seeing something I ain't. Is there a picture attached somewhere?

Occasionally a bullet will cause excessive damage to an animal. However, publishing such a picture does nothing to help the image of hunters. I'm sure PETA would like a copy to use in their propaganda.

Occasionally a bullet will cause excessive damage to an animal. However, publishing such a picture does nothing to help the image of hunters. I'm sure PETA would like a copy to use in their propaganda.Yea, I guess I'm kinda old fashion too. I could have done without the picture even though that's pretty good bullet performance

Nice gutting job. Just out of plain ol' curiosity, what do you suppose the bullet velocity was at impact? Do you have those external ballistics?

Grizz


Velocity would have been about 2399 FPS acording to my Exball ballistics targeting software.

Yea, I guess I'm kinda old fashion too. I could have done without the picture even though that's pretty good bullet performance


A picture is worth a thousand words and I would never have written that many.

Great pic but where is the pig? All I see is guts. The first and only pig I have dressed so far Impressed me most by the sheer amount of guts was in the thing as compared to other animals. That was a long shot on a small animal. Congrats!

Jeese, why are some of you getting so squeemish?? If you hunt, you see stuff like this every now and again. That hog actually ran off and earned itself a 425 grain bullet from jwp's .500 JRH for its efforts.

I shot this one on the same trip with my .475 Linebaugh at 80 yards.........

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/MarkoR/DSC03088.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/MarkoR/myhog.jpg

The mods talked it over and although somewhat split, we did feel that the picture was a bit 'messy' for the forum.

I know John and I'm sure he was trying to make a valid point about bullet performance, but we do have to draw the line somewhere.

UncleNick's suggestion to not post things that you would rather a small child not see pretty well sums it up. Although my son, for example, would not have been bothered a bit, I'm sure there would be plenty of youngsters that would be.

I'll admit that in addition to that, I'm sitting here eating my lunch and it doesn't bother me at all, personally.

Whitworth - those are perfectly suitable pictures. John, likewise your pictures of the buffalo ribs where the .500 JRH made a hole.

I know I've posted bullet performance pictures in the past, and will continue to do so. So has JWP.

I think we need to draw the line at guts spilled out everwhere.

It's a judgement call and we thank the members for their understanding and support.

Let me add a bit to Mike's post.

We Mod's are definitely not discouraging our members from posting hunting pic's of their game. Far from it - we enjoy sharing in their success. We do need to assure the pic's are presentable to all, young and old. I made the mistake of showing some hunting slides years ago of an antelope hunt where the field dressing results were still somewhat visible. A young lady unchucked her just finished dinner when viewing the picture. I learned from that to be a bit more careful of posing critters and cleaning up the scene prior to taking the snapshot.

Thanks for everyone's understanding - and, keep sending those photo's! :D

We are all becoming "wussified". You should put a link to the picture and if a person feels the urge to go look at the entrails of a pig they can do so. There are alot of different ethnicities all over the world that travel to the market for pig entrails. No big deal right?

BigSky

Like all things we all view things differently. In a socieity where we have children with no reguard for human life, I think hunting and seeing the damage that a bulklet can do gives them a better perspective of the outcome, before they do something that will ruin there life for ever. I know when I went to high school during hunting season many of the students drove to shcool with the hunting rifles in the gun rack of the back window and none of them ever thought of shooting anyone. The fact is that killing an animal can be a gruesome affair, I know that many times when I field dress an animal I gag and or puke, but this is a sport that I choose to partake in and that is a part of it.
While haveing a drink at the golf course several years ago I started talking to a gentleman about hunting and a lady sitting near us said "you kill inocent animals". I said to her you do eat hamburgers and steak don't you and she said "yes I do". I stated that the cow did not go in and donate that steak and then go out and graze & grow another one, someone had to kill it and cut it up. She gave me a blank look and then said "I never thought of it like that". Reality is not something that should be shuned IMHO

I agree with JWP. When I can I show my children, and wife for that matter, where our food comes from. I try to make them realize that the chicken, beef, deer, elk and whatnot that we are eating gave up their lives so that we could continue ours. They sometimes dont like what they hear, but I refuse to let my family go through life taking for granted the things/food that are put before us. I really try hard when my son and I are out hunting or plinking to show him the effects that a bullet can have, in hopes that later on in his life he will think back to these situations and just maybe he will be that much more careful when handling a firearm.

BigSky

Yup, same here. My son knows EXACTLY what a bullet will do to a living creature.

It's too bad that much of the rest of society is so clueless.

Funny how other societies consider something a delicacy, what we'd feed to the coyotes????

I'm sure this forum's viewers are familiar with the damage that can be done by bullets and concur that a child viewing the results can be effective in teaching safety. I'm uncomfortable, however, with the publishing (posting a picture on the Internet is publishing with no ability to recall - as evidenced by some teens posting inappropriate content on their blogs with subsequent bad results) pictures that could be used as propaganda against hunting. I have no concern about the effect on other hunters or on the antis (who I don't mind offending), but I am concerned about the effects on those who are uncommitted and may be converted to antis if they become convinced that hunting is cruel and gruesome.

Oh, I see that your approach is to ignore reality in hopes of winning the PC battle. Hasn't worked yet and never will

My personal thoughts, not meant to be representative of anything more than that:
I don’t need to see the piles of bodies to understand what starvation does, nor pictures of four of my men whose truck hit a mine, nor guts to understand what a bullet can do to an animal……not afraid of reality nor naive. Just not sure we need that level of reality graphically demonstrated to educate us about either the “reality” of hunting experiences nor the accomplishment of the hunter involved. I’d like to think we chose to error on the side of a less emotional communication without being considered sissies or too citified. And I’d be remiss if I didn’t say the thread originator has posted many interesting and educational threads, so hope no hard feelings as the gentleman is a valuable member.
Dan

While I respect your decision to remove the "offensive" picture, isn't that response precisely what you claim not to partake in? That is a response/decision based on emotion? The reality of hunting is not a bloodless trophy photo with a smiling hunter -- at least that is not my reality. I think if kids do see what bullets are capable of, they will be more inclined to respect firearms. It's not always a clean entry and exit hole....... Again, I am not trying to be contrary or argumentative. And as far as the anti-hunters are concerned, no amount of censoring ourselves will curb their twisted agenda IMHO.

While I respect your decision to remove the "offensive" picture, isn't that response precisely what you claim not to partake in? That is a response/decision based on emotion?

I don't interpret anything I *said implied no emotion, rather the level of emotion. Every thing has limits and the decision the mderators struggled with is what is the limit of graphic "reality", if any. And I assure you, as Mike indicated, it wasn't an unanimous decision. As I said, we decided to error on the side of "there is a limit". It's subjective and we simply made a decision that this level needed to be modified, regardless of the fact that it does happen. Contrary to what some/most may think, the moderators try to decide based not on personal preferences, but what's best for the forum....and no money back guarantees all the decisions are correct.

Anyway, appreciate your point(s) and life goes on!

Dan

* "we chose to error on the side of a less emotional communication "

I used to buy into the 80% argument that most hunting organizations preached as I did doing bowhunter education classes. You know the spill. 10% hunters 10 % antis. The 80 % undecided are the ones we want to win over. You know, the soccer mom thing. Well, I don't buy in anymore. I go with the Nuge. No matter what you do in this world it starts with a gut pile. No apology. It's just the way it is. Wak'em and stak'em. The whole real world understands that. It's time to wake urban America up to a lot of things. The reality of the sustainunce that they all partake of is as good a place to start as any.

Chief,

If I had to guess, I think I can tell how you're going to vote!


Dan

Fellows, I am one of those that objected to this picture. After reading all of these replies, it is making for an interesting post. But I side with Irv on this one and I don't consider myself a "wuss" either.
Whatever we put on the internet is there for all time, words or pictures. I think there is a responsibilty to that. That is why I respect this forum so much. It's always taken the high road on these posts.
Seeing a pig's guts laying all over the ground doesn't teach me anything. I've seen a few bodies in worse shape than that, and all I learned is War is ****!
I respect all you guys,and your posts.I read them all and learn a lot. Showing pictures of bullet penetration on animal carcasses is educational to me. Those are clean pics. I just think this one went little too far.

Anyway, no harm - no foul. This is still an interesting thread.

It's all a matter of perception.

Back in the day when working of cattle and dude ranches, I thought nothing of tromping through the piles of cow and horse dung. Figured that was just a way of life. It was brought to my attention on a dude ranch that the guests were repulsed by having to do so to mount a horse and was ordered to clean the stuff up. Thought it was really narrow minded of the dudes, but did as I was told. Later, it dawned on me that I didn't have to scrape my boots off near as much when entering a building.

Everything has it's rewards.

"Later, it dawned on me that I didn't have to scrape my boots off near as much when entering a building."



Did this happen before or after you got married?

Actually, I met my present wife of 49 years at that dude ranch! :D

Oh, I see that your approach is to ignore reality in hopes of winning the PC battle. Hasn't worked yet and never will

I don't ignore reality and have never been accused of being PC, but I do try to see the larger ramifications of an action. It's easier to educate someone (who has not yet closed their mind) if one does not offend them first.

Do we celebrate the harvest (for food or trophy) of an animal which we value and respect (as reflected in some European and Native American rituals after the kill) or do we celebrate the gore and/or suffering which we have caused? Is not part of being "human" respecting the animals which we kill?

Also pictures of animals innards do not spoil my lunch - with 2 graduate degrees in Zoology (M.S. & Ph.D.), I've seen animal innards in more detail than most hunters.

The bullet followed the rib cage and simply removed those ribs. It is a sad day that a few complainers can rule the day, no one is forced to open this thread and view the picture. After all this is a shooting and hunting forum and this is the hunting section, what would you expect to see here rose's? Bullet performance is often debated here and seeing is believing. Eisenhower brought every reporter and photographer that he could get to record the atrocities of the Germans so as to record history inorder to have no one that could refute what had taken place, yet some today claim that the Holocaust never not happened. To sugar coat reality is a grievous mistake IMHO, call a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may.

What refreshingly thoughtful responses. I can see both sides of this argument clearly. I too have seen more than my fair share of gore of the human variety in my line of work, and perhaps I am a bit desensitized, but I also feel that it is good to expose folks to the reality of life and in this case, the reality of hunting. I think that we can agree to disagree.

Yes, let's agree to disagree. I don't see any reason to beat this dead horse any longer (no pun intended).

or dead hog for that matter.........:D