I have some Remington 20ga 2 3/4" hulls that mic out to be the same as the STS hulls but the outer surface is ridged, not slick. They are 6pt crimps, vs 8pt. One is marked ShurShot Hvy Dove, the other simply Remington. Both were loaded with 1oz of shot but one has a brass-colored head, the other brite steel. The markings on the heads are identical, Remington - 20ga-. One hull is 1/16 longer than the other but under 2 3/4.

The question is can they be loaded the same as the STS hull? I can't pin down these hulls in any of my manuals.:confused:

Are you talking about hulls of recent manufacture? If they are a one-piece, tapered (inside) hull, they load same as STS's.

One piece or two piece? What is the capacity vs. the known hull (either in water or fine shot)?

One piece or two piece? What is the capacity vs. the known hull (either in water or fine shot)?Capacity isn't all there is to it. A straight-walled hull works better with a wad designed for them. Wads for tapered hulls can cause powder migration in straight-walled hulls, plus because of their design, straight-walled hulls usually have more capacity, hence generally lower pressure with the same components. Of course, one can load any wad in any hull, but the resulting crimp and the performance of the load may not be what's expected. All the tapered Rem hulls of recent manufacture load the same.

The hulls in question appear identical to the STS. I have cut one of each in half and compared them. They are of recent manufacture, probably made in 2007.

I have found Winchester's promotional shells to be of thinner construction and they would collapse upon crimping. These hulls are much stronger. The only real difference I see is the 6pt crimp. I was under the assumption Remington used only the 8pt nowadays.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a message in to Remington and I will probably wait a few days to hear back from them. If I don't, I'll depend on ya'lls wisdom.

The hulls in question appear identical to the STS. I have cut one of each in half and compared them. They are of recent manufacture, probably made in 2007.

I have found Winchester's promotional shells to be of thinner construction and they would collapse upon crimping. These hulls are much stronger. The only real difference I see is the 6pt crimp. I was under the assumption Remington used only the 8pt nowadays.
Rem uses both 6 and 8 point crimps. Usually the 6 points are found in hunting loads(dove, pheasant, etc) and the eights in target loads but that's probably not chiseled in stone. You're right about the cheap Win promotionals, they're basically junk. With judicious adjustment of the pre-crimp and crimp stations I can load them. Crimps often come out ugly, but they shoot OK. Winchester hulls are odd in that although straight-walled, wads for tapered hulls work because of the deep, plastic base wad they utilize. Like I said, all the late Rems load the same, at least in 12's & 20's. Can't comment on other gauges.

Well Spud, I went out and tackled the beast:eek: I set up and started with one of the ShurShot hulls and everything looked fine until crimping time. They did not close well at all.:( Next I tried one of the longer hulls (1/16th) and these closed but not neatly or consistent.:confused: Perhaps these hulls can be loaded but its not worth the hassle to me. The STS hulls are SO much easier!:D

Best,
O'C

Perhaps these hulls can be loaded but its not worth the hassle to me. The STS hulls are SO much easier!:D

Best,
O'C

Well, you could always send 'em my way, I never have enough 20's!:) The problem's no doubt the 1/16th inch diff. which must require some adj on your crimp dies. To be honest these Rem promotionals are what I load, with only an occasional STS thrown in so my machines(MEC 650 & 600jr) are tweeked for those. I know for sure they both work in 12 gauge, but YMMV. Anyway, I'd say use what works for you.

I got an answer back from Remington and thought I'd share.

According to Remington all three hulls in question are the same as far as shape, capacity, etc. Outside finish and printing are the only differences.

I got an answer back from Remington and thought I'd share.

According to Remington all three hulls in question are the same as far as shape, capacity, etc. Outside finish and printing are the only differences.





If they are a one-piece, tapered (inside) hull, they load same as STS's. Nothing like going to the source.