Would like to reload for both these cal. Just started reloading so I don't have cans of different powders around. Is there a powder that would perform well in both without much sacrifice in either? I have some thoughts but thought I would throw this out to the "experts" and see what advice I can get. Thanks for responding John

I believe that Marshall favors H322 and H335 for the .444. You might want to look up his articles for more guidance.

Looking at Hodgdon's data (www.hodgdon.com), either would be useful in the .35 Rem. I would suggest you review the articles, decide what bullet weights you think will be best for your purposes, and pick one of those two.... looks like it should be possible to have one powder serve both cartridges reasonably well.

All I have shot in the .35 is Varget and it works well, but borders on being too slow. Case is full though. It is definitely on the slow side for the .444.

H322 will work fine. Do not overlook H4198.

Hi, Gents:
H332 isn't really suitable for the .35 Remington and the 200 grain bullets designed for it. You can't use enough to fill the case to the base of the bullet and it's very position sensitive. I got a 250 fps difference between pointing the gun straight up and straight down before carefully putting it on the bags. This meant a 4" change in point of impact at 100 yards. The gent who posts as 35 Remington over on the Marlin board had good results with H332 and deep seated 180 gr. bullets, and was skeptical of my data until he tried it with 200 grainers.

My .35 Remington loves 3031. Others have good results with Alliant RL 7 and H335, but I haven't tried them. It looks like H335 may be the best compromise powder.

Bye
Jack

Would like to reload for both these cal. Just started reloading so I don't have cans of different powders around. Is there a powder that would perform well in both without much sacrifice in either? I have some thoughts but thought I would throw this out to the "experts" and see what advice I can get. Thanks for responding John
John
I have no exeriance with the 444 but do load with the 35 Rem.
I am using 42 gr. of H335 under a 180 speer bullet with federal primer. This is a deer load.
I also use the same weight in BL-c , same bullet and primer.
I see the 444 will load the 240 Gr. bullet with 60.0 Vel 2300 at 31,000 Cup ( lee Manual for Hodghon Powders)
I see 35 Rem loaded with 32 gr. of IMR 4198, but am not sure that the 444 use this powder . The 45/70 does.
Research this on the Web.go to the IMR site. :)

Jack,
Have you tried H335 and H4895 side by side in the .35 Remington? I have found the two powders to be pretty much interchangeable grain for grain across a large group of cartridges.

Jack,
I went back and looked at my notes. We used 31.8 grains of H322 in my brothers 14" Contender with good results. Moving up to Hornady's maximum load of 33.8 grains one grain at a time caused the groups to open up and sticky action opening. Backing off to the 31.8 grain load gave good accuracy for us. This barrel kicked me worse than a .45-70 barrel! I have a .35 Herrett barrel that is much easier for me to shoot than the .35 Remington. The above loads were shot with Hornady 200 grain round nose bullets. The 180's are sure easier to handle .

Hi, Slim:
I'm afraid I've never tried H335 and I haven't used 4895 since the surplus stuff dried up. After paying CDN$ 33.00 for a lb. of 2400 at the last gunshow, I wish I'd bought a truck load of 4895, 4831 and CR17 (like 3031) back then.

I might try H332 in the .35 again with the Remington 180 gr. SJHP. Ed Harris likes it as a large varmint bullet. I got one group off last evening, despite the wind, that looked good and hit where the 200s are hitting. That was with 3031.

The 180 SJHP is a bit too long for my P&R S&W 28-2, so I'm hoping they work in the .35. It seats about .090" deeper to the cannelure than the Speer 180 gr., so it should take up enough empty space to cure the position problem.

The problem with H322 is that no two cans are alike. Some of the benchrest boys are fed up and are bugging IMR to bring back 8208.

Bye
Jack

Jack

I keep forgetting that things are different in the Great White North...
The overal length of the cylinder on my M-27 is 1.625", My wifes M-19 is also 1.625". Not being P&R the M-19 will acept a greater OAL than the M-27. The M-19 will shoot the RCBS 200 grGC bullet well. The M-27 needs the 357430 190 gr. bullet. It is shorter. This bullet also works in the .356 but as a plain base cannot be driven very fast.

I have seen a little difference between cans of H322 but nothing exciting. I am not a benchrester so minor variations are probably invisible to me.

What powder is the best bargin for you? Englander has said tha V.V. powder is a bargin in the UK.

Jack,

I suppose it would be considered a hideous crime to pick up some powder in the U.S. for a reasonable price and drive into Canada?

Jack,

I suppose it would be considered a hideous crime to pick up some powder in the U.S. for a reasonable price and drive into Canada?
I had a buddy bring some Ammo through the border for me about two years ago.He had checked and brought through quite a bit for me.

Now since 9/11 things have tighted up between the two countries and may be that you may not be able to bring this sort of thing through the border.

I am having a hard time trying to get Remington bullets for the 35 and 45/70 with paying a buck a pill for it.
VV powder is also out of sight price wise.

I see we are getting of topic on powder choice for Cochran

So with out knowing what he wants to load for inthe 444 , we think H355might be a start as might H4895.

Hi, Gents:
As Harry said, things aren't easy at the border anymore. A Canadian needs an export permit from the BATF to get any components out of the U.S.A. Takes 6 months, I've heard. Canadian Customs aren't so cranky.

Pricewise, Winchester and IMR are a buck or two cheaper than Hodgdon for equivalent powders. Accurate is about the same as Hodgdon, except for the #2-5-7-9 which are $5-6 too high. Rumour has it that VV will be $120 per 2 lb. jug soon, up from $80.

Harry, have you checked out Wholesale Sports or Russell Sports, both in Calgary, for Remington bulk bullets? Wholesale doesn't have an online catalogue. Russell's bullets are on the page 81-100 pdf.
http://www.wholesalesports.com
http://www.russellsports.com

Bye
Jack

Hello from Scotland~

I believe that my Canadian cousins have similar daft restrictions to us poor UK shooters..... Not to mention high tax ! :mad:

It is quite normal for us to be limited to buying 200 bullet "heads" at a time only allowed to keep 250 for a given calibre ! :eek: This does'nt help keeping costs down im paying over $35 per 100 Hornady heads ! Hence my change over to cast ! Not only does lead cost me Jack sh-- ! but our laws DO NOT restict lead bulllets :D Every singe jacketed bullet MUST BE WRITTERN ONTO MY LICENCE !

I would have thought .35 and .45-70 bullets would not be a problem.....get casting ! Both calibres are real naturals for cast and perform very well from all i hear.

To the task at hand......I do not own a .35 but i do cast , load ,and shoot a Marlin .444 :cool:

I have used H4895 with 200 gn pistol bullets and with the Lee 310 bullet (compressed loads) i liked the powder in my .444 both weights shot well out to 200 yards (scoped) on the range.... so if you've got any laying around it could be put to use..... There are many powders ....that while NOT ideal can certimally be put to use if you have them to hand.....

Im currently shooting VV N133 in my .444 with the Lee 310 bullet and hopefully will start with N130 soon !

Good luck

Englander

Hi, Englander:
The law isn't quite as daft here, and some new regulations on components were passed over recently. The prohibition against importing hollow point handgun ammo was lifted too. Even the half-sane politicians realize they're in too deep with gun control in Canada. Hopefully things will improve when PM Chrétien is forced into retirement in February.

There are some regulations on powder storage that no one's even read, and none on bullets. There's no limits on live ammunition either. Or if there is, it's like the Italian speed limit; "Yes there is one, no, no one's ever reached it". I started casting a couple of years ago because of the atrocious quality of the local cast bullets and the shipping cost of good ones. Marshall said "OUCH!" when I told him what the total delivered cost of my last order was.

Oh, yes, since Tory PM Mulroney bought in the GST, similar to your VAT, we've got taxes on taxes.

Bye
Jack

For awhile the Canadain dollar was half of the American. Add import /export fees and shipping and a forty dollar item became well over a hundred to your door.
I do not understand why remington components need to cost so much more than Winchester in central Ontario.
Cast bullets are the answer for the volume shooter, and hand gun calipiers are the way to go. This is the only way one can afford to blast away three or four hundred rounds a day at the range.
Happy

Jack,
I'll be up in June, as always, do you want me to bring up some reasonably priced powder? They've asked me many things at the border, but never "have you got any smokeless powder?"

Hi, Steven:
Thanks, but that's a long time from now, so it's wait and see. As Harry noted, the Canadian Loonie took a dive, but it seems that it's finally coming up for air. The dealers are sitting on stock they bought with 62 cent dollars, even though the rate is 72 cents now. I hope prices drop once the old stock is sold. IIRC, you go to Ontario, so you'd had to ship it from there and the express and hazmat could eat up any savings.

Bye
Jack

Would like to reload for both these cal. Just started reloading so I don't have cans of different powders around...

Cochran,

I don't know if you are still looking for help with this question but I reload both calibers. I have the Marlin 444P Outfitter and my .35 Remington is the Marlin 336D. Not many "D"s out there, only 1000, it's the Guide Gun/Outfitter that Davidson's made a special run of. Anyway...

You didn't say what bullets you want to use but if you are going to use the 200-grain (.35R) and 265-grain (444M) I would simply suggest Reloder 7. I use the Hornady bullets... #3515 and #4300 respectfully.

For the .35R here is some basic and safe data.
31.0 grains and OAL 2.485"/max 2.525"

For the 444M...
47.0 grains and min OAL 2.5"/max 2.57"

Because of it's properties, the starting and max load of Reloder 7 for these cartridges is the same making it very simple. I lean towards the max OAL for both cartridges but make sure they function through your action... magazine tube to chamber through ejection, without hanging up.

As far as velocity, I Chrony'd 2100 FPS out of the .35R and 2200 FPS for the 444M.

I just hunt South Texas but I wouldn't hestiate to use either load for any North American game save the brown, gray or white bears.

I've used both H4895 and H 4198 in my 444 with good results. This was with jacketed bullets. If you're using cast you'll probably want H332 or H335, and I readily defer that recommendation to those who are more experienced to cast bullets.

Zac