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jame
10-21-2003, 09:18 PM
New guy here.....
I couldn't find much using search fuction, so I'm hoping that there are other 32H&R fans here.
I have a need to load up some hot stuff for a S&W 4" M16 or a Ruger SSM 4 5/8" for some seroiusly lead depleted coyotes behind my place. :D

My current is a 100 gr SWC cast over 3.7 of 231 for around 1080 fps. I think I should push this a little for the yotes, and help would be a appreciated.

ALSO I need help with holster choice. Any suggestions?

ribbonstone
10-22-2003, 05:54 AM
Happen to have some loading manuals laying open from the 32-20 thread below. Oened two 32HRM's back when they first came out, and the loads in most manuals have been seriously reduced over the years.
Looks like Lyman wants to limit the round to 20K cup whicih tops out (with various bullets) to about 1100-1140fps. At least they pressure test rather than load by "feel".

Know from my own Ruger that 1250 is possible with 100gr. bullets, and 1100 with 115's, but would guess the pressure was well above the industry standard.

A bit of 'net searching should bring a few loading sites with data that "romps-n'stomps".

kciH
10-22-2003, 04:48 PM
If you weave your way through this post you'll find some good loading data and lots of discussion about the cartridge.

I've used some of the data that is mentioned in this post, but you'll want to use Starline brass and work your way up. H110 is a good powder for this cartridge when you want to load it to it's full potential.

http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=4839

william iorg
10-23-2003, 08:47 AM
Jame,
I'm a little nervous about discussing warm .32 magnum loads on an open forum.
For the K frame Smith 5.0 grains of Alliant Unique and the Lyman 311008 is hard to be for coyotes and feral dogs. This is a warm load and is hard on brass. Your primer pockets will lossen up in three to five loads. In older Federal brass you will get longitudnal case splits rather quickly with hot loads. Thank goodness for Starline!
With the Rugers you may find that the tooling marks in your chambers will cause hot loads to have stiff extraction. With warm loads the brass will fall out of the Smith K frame, the same loads will give sticky extraction in the Rugers. This is not to slight the Rugers, I like them. There is a Tech note somewhere here that describes polishing chambers, well worth reading.
I have found Lymans 311008 hard to beat for the task you have in mind. Complete penetration is the key, they are going to run until they run out of air on broadside shots. Shoulder or hip shot will anchor them, if you cross the chest they will dead when you walk up to them. Winter coats are hard for hollow points to overcome.

ribbonstone
10-23-2003, 09:27 AM
Don't have many coyotes (in fact, until they built bridges across the Mississippi, they were kind of rare on the Eastern side...toll takers sleeping?) but can hunt them a couple hour's drive north-west of here. Never did shoot one with a .32HRM but from shooting Nutria, would guess that at about 1150 FPS would be getting full penetration on most shots...going faster would just flaten the trajectory a bit, but probably just add to the power of the bullet as it exits rather than any reall effect on the critter shot.

Use the same bullet in 32-20 (both handguns and rifles) and run them to about the same speeds...effects will be the same; the bullet doesn't know what's marked on the barrel.

All pretty much about placement...hit them with 115@ 1050 at the correct spot, and they'll drop...an extra 200 or even 400fps isn't going to make up for missing that spot.

william iorg
10-23-2003, 10:04 AM
Ribbonstone,
Good advice. Funny you should mention nutria. They are an on again, off again problem in the lakes around here. They are rather dense (solid) creatures and take some killing. They sure kill trees!

Marshall Stanton
10-23-2003, 10:56 AM
I have a need to load up some hot stuff for a S&W 4" M16 or a Ruger SSM 4 5/8" for some seroiusly lead depleted coyotes behind my place.

I love your wording of this particular "problem"

And yes, I'll have to second the excellent advice regarding loads and velocity. The biggest key is shot placement... load for best performance in this regard, and the rest is simply ventilated coyotes!

Welcome aboard the forums here!

God Bless,

Marshall

ribbonstone
10-23-2003, 01:03 PM
Slim:

Are built pretty solid, and like any rodent, a bit tough to have go right down. Makes good testing media. We're over run with the little buggers...drive out the good fur bearers (Nutria fur is not class stuff). Actually a pretty clean animal, at least the ones not rading garbage in urban areas, but I'm not Cajun enough to BBQ one.

Size and shape have little to do with it, they are about the same thickness, and think that if it will drop Nutria it will drop Coyotes. Didn't find that immediate "drop in a show of sparks" effect with most handgun rounds...fast light hollow points like the 170's from a .41 or the 180's from a .44 do nicely, as will the better JHP in .45acp. Only have 6-9" of penetration before you're out the other side, so dumping energy quickly seems to be the way to drop them on the spot.

If I uase the 32-20 (usually a rifle) on them, that 115LFP just kind of "zings" on through...kills them if it's paced right, but they run like the devil to the water...start swimming...sink if the lungs fill up...and you'll only get them the next day if they bloat up and float (assume a 'gator hasn't stuffed it under some roots for a snack later on). To drop them, need to take out the brain or the CNS forward of the diaphram. This a 115gr. LFN will do just fine if it connects still going 950fps or more.

I do keep a 22/77AW .22mag expressly fot the little critters...stainless and a bvoat oar stock are made for this kind of stuff. Either zing thm through the brain/CNS or try for a bullet blow up in the heart lung. Most of the time I'm a beliver in big flat faced lead bullets (and a 50/70 does a nice job on Nutria), but the .22mag has been doing so well I hesitate to change.
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Got the BP bug (again) and used a 10ga. SXS...using Round ball (and a 10ga. round ball is a bvig thing, over 600gr.). So far the only thing to intersect that big ball has been one nutria. Hit a bit back, it made about 10yards...if that was 10yards into deep water or thick cover, would have lost him. NOTHING repaces placement.

william iorg
10-24-2003, 04:34 AM
Ribbonstone,
I have heard of people eating nutria but I dont know anyone who has. i have heard of a coat made of the fur also. They say it had a "distinctive" look !
West Texas is sort of the "last home" for a lot of small game cartridges. I know of several .218 Bee's, .25-20's, .32-20's (the "Twenty Twins") in regular use. Of course, it is "required" to have a Hornet in the household out here. Many Hornets in use.
The .22 Magnum is popular and the .17 Hornady is selling in large numbers. I guess it is because we are becoming more urban. Around the lakes they get excited if you unlimber the big guns on critters!

ribbonstone
10-24-2003, 05:54 AM
Have been a couple of sightings of Coyotes in the suburbs of New Orleans...I've not seen one. Just to the East of the city is a giant Fed. wild-life refuge (a wet lands). May be in there...know the hog problem has gotten out of hand, but as there is no hunting, little gets done about it. Is a call out for licencing trappers...trapping pigs has got to be hard work.

That refuge butts up against residential areas...have sat in the car, unable to drive, until they pass (need a pig crossing sign)....they know the day the garbage gets picked up, head on over for a free meal, and head back early in the AM.

HAve seen the 'yotes in the more dry area near marsh/swamp north of here...just an hour's drive, but three hours drive is more populated and the density is high enough that hunting is possible...not real productive.

Have a .22Hornet as well...but it's not set up to be a great choice in the thick stuff.
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Was in a friend's back yard in a surburb...not too fancy, just big 4ac. lots and woods at the back border. Hear shots about about 2 blocks away. Were sitting plinking targets with airguns, talking about whatever, and having a beverage. Right down his driveway, and into the back yard not more than 12 yards from us trots a 50 pound pig (a little one). Friend does a double take, digs in his pocket for the S&W 60 he keeps there, and empties the gun into the hog (factory 158gr. SWCHP's...believe they were WW).

Pig takes off in high gear...runs into a trash barrel, sits on it's fanny like a pet dog, and keels over.

Someone had creased it's rump with an unidentified round (the shots we heard earlier) and he pluged it 4 times through the lungs (missed #5). All 4 came out the other side, exit wounds show expansion....it just took a bit for him to fill up and lay down.

m141a
10-25-2003, 11:25 AM
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=1224

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=4839

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=1385