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Sharpshooter_30
10-22-2003, 05:08 PM
has anyone had any experience with abell and carlson duramax stock on a savage 10fp? looking for something that doesnt flex and with a good bedding.
thanks
You might want to try stiffening the forend of your factory savage stock before you buy a new one, it can make quite a bit of difference for small expense.
Sharpshooter_30
10-22-2003, 05:49 PM
You might want to try stiffening the forend of your factory savage stock before you buy a new one, it can make quite a bit of difference for small expense.
thanks for the reply
how might i go about doing that? the action/barrel is flexing in the stock making it hard to hold on target and i am losing my free float on the barrel. could i cut some grooves in the inside of the stock on either side of the bedding system and epoxy some type of metal rod in it?
Sharpshooter,
typically it is the stock that is flexing around the action/barrel, but I don't have your particular rifle. I did have a very similar one a short while ago. The problem that I saw was the forend flexing because the stock is too flimsy. I scuffed up the recesses in my stock to get rid of any possible release agent that might be there as well as to give it a better bonding surface for the epoxy. I used some thin fiberglass cloth from a canoe repair kit and some Brownells acraglass gel. You might have a different style stock and this doesn't apply. I laid the epoxy impregnated cloth in strips lengthwise and it did stiffen up the forend a bit so it wouldn't twist so easily. The repair looked like heck, but it was in the barrel channel where no one could see it anyway.
This problem is not limited to Savages, I also have a Weatherby Mark V with the same flimsy stock problem, but it is much worse as it's a heavy kicking .340. I've tried about everything with it, but I think a hand-laid synthetic is in it's near future.
As a recent article in Rifle suggested, the best way to take care of bedding problems with a tupperware stock is to buy a new one like you are looking to do. I would take a good look at the stocks and have one in my hand before I decided to buy one though, the replacement could be just as flimsy as the factory unit. An aluminum bedding block in a flimsy stock will not cure your free float problems for sure. If the forend is flimsy it will still twist and cause you potential problems. Some of the makers have gone to a bedding block because the truly cheap stocks are flimsy, but that bedding block does not make the forend any better unless it extends the length of the stock.
A good laminate stock is more economical and easier to work with in addition to being nearly as weatherproof as a synthetic if you use a little sealant on the interior of it, it might be something worth looking for your rifle. If it has to be black you can always spray paint it.
Sharpshooter_30
10-22-2003, 08:05 PM
thanks for the info. i think i have 2 problems. 1) its a cheap stock 2)my savage is a 10FP with a bull barrel. it looks to me like they used a standard stock and just cut the barrel channel out to make it fit but also making it weaker.
i wonder if a stock from a savage 12 (forget the letters, the vamint gun) will work. just dont know if the barrel channel is the same size. i think that could be fixed though with a little wood work.
thanks for all the help
The stock on my .308 Scout Rifle has a pencil thin barrel and it's the same problem you have, there's just a little more forend there. It's still flimsy as can be. With this rifle I use the provided sling to shoot it, you should see what that does to the tupperware forend when you put sling pressure on it.
I have two of the B&C stocks - a standard and a thumbhole.
Both have the aluminum frame that extends from the rear of the receiver to the stock foretip. One is on a Ruger M77 (old style) chambered in 7mm Dakota. These stocks have held up well and are stiff enough not to flex at the forend. Bedding is solid at the receiver.
They are well worth the money.
www.lockstock.com have a good selection of the B&C stocks.
I have two of the B&C stocks - a standard and a thumbhole.
Both have the aluminum frame that extends from the rear of the receiver to the stock foretip. One is on a Ruger M77 (old style) chambered in 7mm Dakota. These stocks have held up well and are stiff enough not to flex at the forend. Bedding is solid at the receiver.
They are well worth the money.
www.lockstockandbarrel.com have a good selection of the B&C stocks.
If you're talking about the Lock, Stock, and Barrel in Valentine, NE the site is www.lockstock.com Otherwise your website has changed.
I'll have to look into the B&C's for my persistent problem-child MK V. I have one on a .35 Whelen Imp that has worked well, but it's a little hefty and was from a time before the full length bedding blocks.
Yup, them's the one, Steven.
Modified my URL posting - used to have it in my "favorites", but when changing servers, it got lost. I'll put it back. Always found them slightly higher on prices, yet usually have what I want and provide good delivery.
Sharpshooter_30
10-23-2003, 03:02 PM
Yup, them's the one, Steven.
Modified my URL posting - used to have it in my "favorites", but when changing servers, it got lost. I'll put it back. Always found them slightly higher on prices, yet usually have what I want and provide good delivery.
i have done business with them in the past. have had good service. they are a little high but they have some things that a lot of places dont.
While you're looking at the website, take a look at the "blem bullets" They come from a well know factory just south of Valentine in Grand Island, NE. You'll notice that the stock numbers match the bullet numbers from that MFG. The bullets have cosmetic blems only, at least that has been the case with the over 10,000 of them that I've gotten over the last 2 years. Both pistol and rifle bullets have shot as good as any that came out of the red and white boxes. Hard to beat about $60/1000 for 150 and 165gr .308 bullets. I feel safe giving out this info since I've already laid in my supply for the year.
Bud Pitts
10-26-2003, 12:07 PM
Hi Fellas,
I'm a strong proponent of B&C Carbelite stocks. I have a bunch of them. I have one of the 'cheapies'(Duramax) on a Savage 10, that I keep chambered for 22-250. I haven't seen any flex problems, but I shoot it exclusively over a rest or sticks, no sling.
Bud
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