I have bought and never shot 2 inlines and traded them off, traded the second one towards a TC LH .50 Renegade 26" with no QLA in barrel. Its used but hardley shot i don't think,sat in a gunsafe and guy traded it at my dealer and i got it for 250.00 and its in like 97% pr 98% condition, went and bought triple 7 since its post to be the best new powder and easy on cleaning. I bought TC maxiball 320gr penatrator, no one has 275gr in maxi hunter right now,still got one place to check though. This one is a keeper since i'm a lefty. I ordered TC fiber optic sights for it. Primers i bought are what i here better in accuracy department anyway, red can with nobel on it.I hear 80gr to 100gr is what you use in powder charge. I want to find out best load from other uses with TC 50cal hawkens or renegades. The gun has been lubed,since i cleaned it and put TC bore butter 1,000 back in,could not get all the brown stuff out though. I think its lube thats been in there for a good while. I will be using #11 caps. I need to make my hair trigger heavier though,its a 2 stage),to light for me, i like stuff in 2 to 3 pound range but it you can almost just touch it and its gone,so it must be under a pound or around it.

The "brown" stuff you're getting out of the bore is rust. Keep cleaning it with brushes and cloth patches until you don't get any more.

Bore Butter will definitely build up in a bore. I'm beginning not to like the stuff too well, other than to clean with. I think a light coat application of virgin olive oil would be just as good a preservative.

My T/C Renegade always liked a diet of 90 grains of FFg black powder and a Buffalo Bullet 350 to 375 grain bullets. Never cared for Pyrodex.

I've got an in-line now and use the saboted bullets, due to the quicker rifling twist. Don't use the sabots in yours because of the slower twist doesn't stabilize them all that well. Round balls don't do too good, either. The Renegade is set for the conicals you're proposing to use.

The #11 caps will work fine for this rifle - be sure to get a "hot-shot" nipple to get as much ignition as possible.

Tell me about a Bore Butter build-up :mad: I eventually brushed and shot it out of my 2nd hand T/C flinter, but most folks now recommend one of the more violet carb cleaners and vigourous brushing. Triple 7 is hotter than real black powder, and 100 grains is a bit heavy.
http://www.hodgdon.com/tripleseven/loadnote.php

Bye
Jack

It came with 3 nipples,not sure what they are exactly. I'm not sure its rust like you saying, its paste form i guess,looks like but dryied out i guess. I did not use a brush on it yet,so i will clean it again and try to get all the brown stuff out,it is kinda that coloration though brownish red. I just used patches,so it needs brushed for sure then and then recoat with TC lube 1,000. Why you not like it? Barrel looks clean not rusted though at muzzle end. Can the lube turn if set in it for a very long time? Like to know how old the rifle is,tried to call TC,but custom shop phone line was busy. I plan on using conicals anyway. Are you post to use patches,pros and cons. I got some rem patches thats .50 size to go behind bullet. Can you email a pic to show me what a hot shot nipple looks like? I can send a pic of all my nipples if you can tell me what they are.

I cleaned it again, its not reddish brown paste likw now,its brown to dark borwn, and its cleaner but not patch coming clean though. My 50 cal brush is not snug fit as like other guns are. I relubed it with a light coat of bore butter 1000. How do you get the area at nipple to the barrel clean on inside? How do you get the back end of barrel clean(center part at end of barrel in back)? I would like to hear more about this lube not being good to use. What are you using if not,you using olive oil? I got that here. Is the inline capper waste of money for my ML? I already got the 4n1 quick shot for hunting. I also ghot a magnum musket nipple that i think is probably useless for this gun. It might be for thwe inlines,don't say on package and i had it when i had the inlines.

Bravo2 you have a good rifle, that 777 is like black powder on steroids, you will find that a good way to go is to start at 1/2 of what is recommended for 2f. Which you have right 80 to 100 don't believe I would go over 50 with the 777. You might want to go up about 5gns at a time starting at 40 no more and shoot 3 round groups at 50yds. If you find the slugs are not accurate you in general are driving them too fast, and this can happen very fast with 777 start low as low as 30gns and work up, you find the bullet will like a narrow area for accuracy. Once found don't be swayed into shooting a heavier charge. Test your groups at different ranges. I think you will find the 777 is a good powder but meaner than black. I think you will find that you will never get that bore completely clean, the bore butter is a good product for storage, but I don't like it for shooting lube. One trick I have used to clean and smooth a bore a little more than the average is to cut a strip of scotch brite pad about 1/2 inch wide and wrap it around in a spiral a 25 to 7mm bore brush and work that up and down the bore while in the cleaning phase, then dry patch it until your patch comes out dry, then pump the scotch brite up and down and over lapping while coming up out of the bore say up 6 inches at a time. This will help the gun with a polished bore from collecting little bits of powder fouling and there by rusting. The patched round ball does this over time by wiping the bore with the linen shot after shot. The bore lapping in this forum is a good way to go to make that a real shooter also.

Yes its FFG.

I used a shooters choice gun cleaner #3 that works very well, got out the lube and then got the grey which i'm sure is lead and got it clean.

I've never had a problem with Bore Butter and I clean with HOT water only.

You MUST get all that other crud out of the barrel. You need to get a breech scraper that will screw into the end of your ramrod. I also recommend a bore guide to protect the muzzle as you rigorously scrub that barrel.

The best tool I know to clean the flash channel (from nipple to bore) is a modified paper clip. The steel in the clip will scrap the crud and not do too much to the channel. After that clean immediately after shooting and you'll have no problems. Of course you must remove the nipple first.

If you have a Renegade with the 1-48 twist you might get good groups from roundball with 50-60 gr. of BP or equivalent (your choice of equivalent). Try a .490 Ball and a .010" patch (I'd use one lubed with BB!). You're choice of conical is good and shoot like a house afire after you learn to consistently seat the bullet. That won't be easy until you've got that bore clean.

You can adjust the trigger with the little screw. If you have the single trigger, you need to take off the lock and clean it as well. There's probably some gunk on the sear OR perhaps the sear is damaged. It should not be as light as you describe.

A new rifle is always fun. Let us know how things go.

G'Day, just what is Bore butter?
Down here we use a mix of 1part woolfat to 4part beeswax, then add virgin olive oil to soften (more for winter, less for summer), use a can heated over stove or other (don't burn or over heat, will harden it) dip the slug into mix quickly to coat only the grooves, this won't fill the base if hollow, some like to fill the base and think it improves the accuracy (I think it a wast of time).
On loads for any rifle the rule of thumb is to start your load at the calabre of the rifle, ie: .58=58gr (Don't know what your powder is like but we use two types, standard black and Swiss which is 20% hotter) your max load then is double the starting load, ie: 115gr, a load that size will give a real boot and will distort the flight of your slug. I have a .50cal rifled musket with a 38 inch barrel using sixty grains of swiss, hits a steel buffalo target (2ft highx4ft long) at 550yds, and just with standard elevater sights, using cross sticks for a rest.
Next rule of thumb is to use your ears, keep upping your load until the rifle sounds right, you should hear a sharp crack rather than a thump, try it .........the oldies did.
Paladin
ps: cleaning? nothing better than boiling water, scrub,l ots of oil, clean all oil out before shooting..turns to tar...looks like dark brown rust.........sound familiar.

That oil was what i had in my barrel i guess cause it sure was not rust and barrel does not look rusted either. I just got my fiber optic sights and want to pu them on before i shoot the renegade 50.

I've not been on here in a good while. I have a 2 stage trigger. I put on the fiber optic sights and not shot it yet. I like to get it setup this summer and know cold may effect accuracy lateron with load I decide on.
Anyone got any great loads for this rifle?

OK, here it is for everyone. Black powder cleaning solution.

Equal parts of: Murphy's Oil Soap, Hydrogen Peroxide and Rubbing alchohol. This stuff is inexpensive.

Reinactement shooters have used this for many years.

Soak the barrel in it by using a plug. Drop your dirty parts in a bowl of it. It will remove all black powder, Pyrodex, Triple Seven, etc, Wipe and dry, then use Bore Butter 1000 liberally on all parts.

Your gun is now clean and pickled for extended storage.

We are old muzzle loader hunters at our camp. This works. You might even see some on the market with (foam clean) the barrel ads for a "NEW" product. So now you have their "secret".

Also, simple soap and hot water works as a cleaner too. You must dry thoroughly after using it, and then coat with bore butter.

PS: NEVER use oil in or on a black powder rife.

OK, here it is for everyone. Black powder cleaning solution.

Equal parts of: Murphy's Oil Soap, Hydrogen Peroxide and Rubbing alchohol. This stuff is inexpensive.

Reinactement shooters have used this for many years.

Soak the barrel in it by using a plug. Drop your dirty parts in a bowl of it. It will remove all black powder, Pyrodex, Triple Seven, etc, Wipe and dry, then use Bore Butter 1000 liberally on all parts.

Your gun is now clean and pickled for extended storage.

We are old muzzle loader hunters at our camp. This works. You might even see some on the market with (foam clean) the barrel ads for a "NEW" product. So now you have their "secret".

Also, simple soap and hot water works as a cleaner too. You must dry thoroughly after using it, and then coat with bore butter.

PS: NEVER use oil in or on a black powder rife.

Great post! Thanks for sharing this info with us. I just finished taking the text of your post and putting it on the Tips & Comments section of our website so that it doesn't get buried and lost in the forums!

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Thanks again, and God bless,