I am somewhat amused at the topic of "Dangerous Game"! Is there a difference between "Dangerous Game" and "Potentially Dangerous Game"? When does game become
"Dangerous"? The answer to the last question is quite simple....When it is about to do serious harm to your body. At that point it does not matter what its size or weight is!
Our Brit Cousins have a great deal more experience in putting down "Dangerous Game", due to their involement in Africa and India. We can reflect on what they considerd adequate.......A large caliber firing a heavy projectile at a moderate velocity and "controllable" recoil!......pure and simple. They were not at least concerned with long range accuracy, but rather to have a crushing inclose "Smack-Down"! Look at their Paradox Guns........12 bore (.730") and 10 bore (.775") smooth and semi-rifled firearms. "hurling" massive bullets (730 gr & up) at moderate velocities (1000'/" to 1200 '/") These balls and bullets were hard cast lead alloy.
So......What really are the requirements:
(1) First of all....you better be able to control the firearm in case a second shot is needed.
(2) A super simple firearm action with simple sights.
(3) A cartridge that has a very heavy projectile that does not expand, thus giving deep penetration.......and having a large enough diameter to let a lot of blood out and air in.
Most shooter already have one......a simple 12 gauge shotgun in its various forms. My choice is a Remington 870 pump gun with either a smoothbore or rifled slug barrel with Tru-Glo adjustable sights. We now have takeoff cartridges that equal and exceed the famous Paradox Guns. So, why not consider them? Best Regards, James

I would think any thing you shoot at , and if not dispatched , would take offense and be **** bent on revenge. Granted this could be just about any animal from rabbit on up , but generally we contemplate retreat at the wild boar/bear level. Although I did bend over to retrieve a not quite dead squirrel once that in a daze proceeded to run up my leg and gave me case of the willys.

Anything with the potential to give me stitches, or worse!

My favorite 'stopper' is a Bisley Blackhawk, .45 Colt, 300gr (and up) hard cast bullets....

Several African PH's I've spoken to over the last year or so, have told me they consider the lowly bushbuck very dangerous game. Evidently, the pint sized spiral horn, if wounded, does seek revenge in the high grass and its needle sharp horns have inflicted a lot of damage to clients and PH's over the years.

As has been discussed before, weather and falls from treestands are probably the two most dangerous elements for the hunter here in North America. Probably the highest death count attributed to any one single occurrence was the "Day the Duck Hunters Died" in Armistace Day Blizzard that swept through the plains states.

Time to consult The Book of Armaments!

I'm sorry; Mr. Gates mentioned the British defining dangerous game and all I can think of is Monty Python's "Killer Rabbit." You may recall that the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch was the only proper weapon against this scourge.

Silliness aside, I recently bought a Hastings 'Paradox' for my BPS and it shoots a house afire. You 'sold' me.

We're taking the old Cessna down your way tomorrow Mr. Gates. Maybe I should stop in for handful of prototype Dixie Terminators or a shooting exhibition!

(Then, there's that bunch of original paradox guns over at thadscott.com that keep singing their siren song....)

Is this Terminator slug amphibious?

Today's ABC

Killer croc came back to stalk friends

Northern Territory police have confirmed that a saltwater crocodile took a 22-year-old man missing in Darwin.

Brett Mann, from Howard Springs, was on a biking trip with two friends when they waded into the Finniss River to wash off some mud, about 50 kilometres south-east of Darwin.

His friends told police they saw a four metre saltwater crocodile attack Mr Mann, dragging him under the water.

The two 19-year-olds climbed up a tree in the middle of the river to escape.

Moments later they saw the crocodile swim past with Mr Mann's remains in its jaws.

Acting Senior Sergeant Garry Casey says the men spent almost 22 hours in the tree before they were rescued and the crocodile was a constant presence.

"The rescuers didn't see it but the two boys said that the crocodile was continually hanging around the tree, and only disappeared when the helicopter located them in the tree, and they didn't see it again after that," he said.

They were treated for shock and hypothermia at Royal Darwin Hospital on Monday afternoon.

Police and parks and wildlife officers are searching for the crocodile and Mr Mann's body today.

Consider this........a 745 gr paradox Terminator (.729") at a mv of 1200'/"
Thornily Stopping Power of the above = 341
Grizz, Lion, Leopard, Brown bear @ 150
Taylor's KO @ 93
All this from a lowly shotgun! I look for data in Gutpiles more than Magic Numbers. This is way I designed the Terminator.
Best Regards, James

James -

And the 12 keeps getting better as technology imporves. Lightfields 465 gr discardable sabot rounds clock 1800 fps for 3346 FPE. The sabot discards on impact and the .600 bore slug penetrates like crazy.

At the other end of the scale we have the Agila mini shells shooting 300 grs of mixed buck shot at 1100 fps with a 70% reduction in recoil but plenty of power for police work and home defense.

Yes, there has been a great deal of improvement the design of shotshell projectiles, but little done in construction. To my knowledge the lead in these new designs are very close to pure lead. There are even products out there calling themselves Danger Game Slugs. These still have soft lead. Anyone that has dealt with cast loads know that this soft lead will over expand and not give deep penetration. Why still soft lead in factory loads? Simple......it still is a compomise load that can be shot, and swaged down, in any choke! Cast hangun hunters know the alloy must be hard for penetration. So it is with specialized dangerous game loads in both the smoothbore and rifled barrel shoyguns.
So.....just making the lead part bigger, or heavier, is not the answer is not the answer.
Best Regards, James

Anything that looks at you as a potential meal!

Or has a tendency to want to shred or stomp you into chaff!

May be two levels of dangerous game. The ones that will defend themselves if you wander into their home range or poke random holes in them. Even some pretty small critters will do this (lets face it, if house cats grew to the size of St. Bernards, there would be a sever shortage of old ladies).

Are a few cretures that will hunt you.

Dangerous game can be any animal that takes a dislike to your personal posterior. Manyyears ago in Northern California, in the Yuba River channel, I was backpacking and rounded a large boulder to find a pack of a half dozen wild, or feral if you prefer, dogs.
A fresh deer kill was spread adcross the sand - and my intended path. I backed up slowly as the pack advanced, drew my trusty Ruger .357 revolver and dispatched the largest, and closest, snarling canine. The pack disappeared and I never saw them again. Whew!

Cape buffalo have given me more than a few moments of THE SCREAMING ADRENALIZED SHAKES, so make your own pick. A thiurty pound dog, when accompanies by a few friends or a ton of nasty black buffalo - they're all dangerous.


Now to my own "thumper." To keep it short and sweet, it;s a twelve bore hammer gun. I added good iron sights and found to my everlasting joy that "she" shoots two Brenneke slugs into 2", offhand, at 50 yards. The "slapdown" that these lovely projectiles provide, the speed of reloading, simplicity of operation ( I leave the bloody thing loaded and cocked with the barrels broken open across my arm. One fluid motion and the gun is at my shoulder and the sights perfectly aligned.) dependability, and, with the 18 1/2# barrels, the speed with which this smooth-bored rifle can be used is only a touch short of incredible.

I am somewhat amused at the topic of "Dangerous Game"! Is there a difference between "Dangerous Game" and "Potentially Dangerous Game"? When does game become
"Dangerous"? The answer to the last question is quite simple....When it is about to do serious harm to your body. At that point it does not matter what its size or weight is!
Our Brit Cousins have a great deal more experience in putting down "Dangerous Game", due to their involement in Africa and India. We can reflect on what they considerd adequate.......A large caliber firing a heavy projectile at a moderate velocity and "controllable" recoil!......pure and simple. They were not at least concerned with long range accuracy, but rather to have a crushing inclose "Smack-Down"! Look at their Paradox Guns........12 bore (.730") and 10 bore (.775") smooth and semi-rifled firearms. "hurling" massive bullets (730 gr & up) at moderate velocities (1000'/" to 1200 '/") These balls and bullets were hard cast lead alloy.
So......What really are the requirements:
(1) First of all....you better be able to control the firearm in case a second shot is needed.
(2) A super simple firearm action with simple sights.
(3) A cartridge that has a very heavy projectile that does not expand, thus giving deep penetration.......and having a large enough diameter to let a lot of blood out and air in.
Most shooter already have one......a simple 12 gauge shotgun in its various forms. My choice is a Remington 870 pump gun with either a smoothbore or rifled slug barrel with Tru-Glo adjustable sights. We now have takeoff cartridges that equal and exceed the famous Paradox Guns. So, why not consider them? Best Regards, James

Welcome to the board, Bluesman - I'm sure you will find it interesting and informative.

Your dissertation on the 12 ga "doublegun" will surely strike fire with some of our members.

Don't know bout you guys but---- I have a Benelli M1 Super 90 w/ ghost ring sights that will put 7, 12ga. slugs into a 6" pie plate in just over 5 sec. at 25yds.How much energy is that being delivered to the target. My estimate is about 101/2 tons. I don't really care how dangerous the game is. If it can dodge that hail if lead ,it can eat me. It doesn't matter what your shootin',you got to hit the animal hard and put it down. 12ga. slug, or in some rare case buckshot would be my preferance.---GOOD SHOOTIN'---pruhdlr

What is dangerous game? Well, my guess is if you don't kill it first, it will kill you.

Would it be proper to inquire as to where and/or when a shotgunner could obtain some of those Dixie Terminator's. The photo of the slugs looked absolutely beautiful.(in an sinister sort of way) Will my Benelli M1 Super 90 handle them? My "dangerous game" would be a very large,very mad wild boar at 10yds.---THANKS----pruhdlr

We can't hunt the most dangerous game, but they do hunt us. It's humbling to be prey, but the one truely dangerous game is the female of the species. Lions, elephants, sharks etc will just kill you, minor detail.
Jim