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Genlemen and ladies,

There are a bunch of you. Please contact your favorite gun company and support one of my better ideas, the 44 auto.

There was a wildcat based on 45 acp brass necked to .429. There were strength issues with the brass and the round failed. 45 Glock auto pistol brass is stronger and will allow velocities of 1000 to 1200 fps out of a 5 inch barrel. Any existing locked breach 45 will handle the round with a new barrel. Existing smaller designs like the various 40sw and 45 gap pistols will handle the cartridge.

think 44 special in an auto. what else were you going to do with the gap brass we pick up?

Thanks
DocWills

Sounds like a winner to me!

Thats a wonderful idea. but where how do we get ahold of gun makers to push through the idea?

You might. I'm not interested in loading any bottleneck pistol cartridges unless I have a real good reason. I'd much rather use a carbide die on a straight-sided cartridge.

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Bottleneck pistol rounds are a pain in the butt to reload and usually have such a short neck that cast bullets are not appropriate for them. What is this round going to do that needs being done? The 10mm and .45 Super will do it all and more, both on existing pistol designs that are currently being manufactured. Even the lowly old .45 will push a 200 gr bullet to 1000fps without any trouble, and that is NOT +P loading data. A 44 Special in factory guise won't do anything more than a .45 ACP.
What does the .400 Cor-bon do that a 10mm won't? What does a .357 Sig do that a .38 Super won't? They won't shoot lead bullets of any more than minimal weight without destroying accuracy, and they can't be sized properly with a carbide sizing die that I'm aware of.

I'm not bashing your idea, but I really don't see what would motivate a gun maker to produce such a round, or what would cause shooters to make it a profitable venture. I don't see what "niche" it fills, but there again I don't know the full story on it, and I've been wrong about other things.

Sell the .45 GAP brass on ebay, or throw it in the trash.

Unless Glock can put the new cartridge in a small pistol, that will recoil too severly for most folks, I don't see any benefit of any kind for the parent casing even. A 155 at 1150, a 185 at 1075, and a 200 at a 1000 out of a 5" barrel, per Hodgdon's data, don't exactly set my heart to racing. Stout loads in a .45 ACP have plenty of recoil in a real, metal, pistol that has a little heft.

Hmmm.... the .45 Glock brass may be strong, but it's going to be sadly lacking in case capacity.

I'm afraid that's going to be a tough sell to the manufacturers, good idea or not.

Sounds like you are getting the same replies that Elmer got. You are in pretty good company. The reason I think anything may go now a days is the people that have to have every caliber in a given gun and then if it has an attribute it could catch on. The gun manufacturers do it like crazy now a days.

I think you should take a poll on what the quintisential American caliber is as far as handguns are concerned, you might be suprised. I might be also, but I think it's the .45 and not the .44.

It sounds like an interesting project, so let us know how it works out. What would keep you from having a 10mm or 38 Super barrel rebored and rechambered for this? I've not heard of it being done with auto pistol barrels, but it might be a way for you to get it done more simply than the method you mentioned I would start with a one piece barrel if this approach was taken.