View Full Version : Do you want the 35 Rem to live?
Harry Snippe
02-07-2004, 09:02 PM
While on the MT I recieved an E-mail from Chabot regarding the 336/35.It was indicated that the 35 Remington sales were very low barely 1000 units sold for the past year.
I would think then that the 35 remington Marlin will be soon a thing of the past.
Now it seems that the 35 is and has a good following in the eastern bush.
Some of us reloaders have found that the 35 rem. can be safely loaded up a bit from the standard factory loads that can be bought , other than buffalo bore,s offering.
I am loading the 180 speer 42.5 BL-C2or H335 in my 336/35 rc with ballard rifling and have no pressure signs.
I am sure that I can crawl up abit more.
I hear some people are loading the 180 Speer FN with H4198.
Some folks are loading the 220 but are not sharing the load data.Can we safely take the 220 to 2100 VEL. ?
I must say that you should never take a load from the net and just use it , rather start low and work your way up as with every load
Now the BB load has some punch and I understand we are getting close to the 356W load.
Some folks are converting the 336/35 to the 356W.Now I wonder if full house loads are used or are people loading it down?
Then that understood, are we happy with the 35 remington or should we let it die with the 32 REM and 303 Savage? :(
Happy
mattpair
02-08-2004, 02:39 AM
I've never shot a .35, but would like to one day. That being said I hope the round stays arround for a while, I am sad to see any caliber marlin go to the grave. Where does the .35 fit in when compared to the 30-30 and the .444 ?
El Lobo
02-08-2004, 05:17 AM
Hey Guys,
I've been shooting the .35 Rem in my 336 since 1970, and have taken both whitetail deer and blackbear with it quite successfully. This might be one of those "Self Fullfilling Prophecies". I haven't seen a .35 Rem new on the rack of a dealer in years! Dealers can't very well sell them if they're not in stock.
I'm definately a .35 Fan......in addition to my 336 Marlin (Little Brother), I have a Mauser bolt in .358 Norma (Big Brother), just in case an elephant wanders by. ;)
Lobo in West Virginia
Harry Snippe
02-08-2004, 05:28 AM
I would call the 35 remington with the factory load a mid range cartridge similar to the 30/30 , BUT, with a bit more THUMP!! Bullets are from the 180 -220 gr , compared to the 30/30 170's.
If you reload, the round can shoot flatter and hit harder. But the deer /Bear you just shot is not going to any more dead .
Happy
seaweaver
02-08-2004, 05:41 AM
I purchased my first 336cs .35 ona saturday with dialed in scope for $200. Killed a hog at 75 yards on sunday, found a 336rc and purchased on monday. Since I bought both of these used as I' sure many are, Marlin Arms won't feel the effect untill they are all of the shelves(used) and we continue to spread the word of the performance of this gun. I' three people looking for .35's and hope to convence more.
cw
Harry Snippe
02-08-2004, 06:42 AM
I purchased my first 336cs .35 ona saturday with dialed in scope for $200. Killed a hog at 75 yards on sunday, found a 336rc and purchased on monday. Since I bought both of these used as I' sure many are, Marlin Arms won't feel the effect untill they are all of the shelves(used) and we continue to spread the word of the performance of this gun. I' three people looking for .35's and hope to convence more.
cw
It is a sweet heart . :D
I like the straight grip ballard rifling myself. Heard that Walmart will order new model 336/35 for you.
When your out of stock on the used one's Ellwoodepps .com has a few used in stock to sell. Just tell then Harry sent you.
As far as the 35 rem goes -mine will be part of my estate.
Happy
Carwi
02-08-2004, 07:22 AM
Hmmm...I hate to hear that they aren't selling anymore than that. I like to see new cartridges enter the market but I hate to see so many abandon the traditional cartridges in favor of the super-duper-magnums. In reality many who buy the overpowered magnums will never hunt anything it would really be needed for. For the occasional hunter cartridges like the .35 WILL take anything in most peoples woods. I hope it doesn't fade away. I would never have thought down here in the south that it's popularity would wane but it has in faver of the big magnums. I rarely see many hunters now going into the field with an open sighted lever. I certainly don't think we would be better off without the .35!! It will always have a place in my woods....
Riflemen10x
02-08-2004, 07:39 AM
Hi guys,
I always wanted a 35 remington and one day while running around the erie PA area with my brother, stopping at some of the local gun shops to see what they have, I found a old 336 RC that was well used and needed some tender loving care.I picked up the gun for 200.00 with a 3*9 scope.We ran home with a box of remington 200 grn corlocks and started to shoot.we managed to get 12 inch groups at 100 yds and we looked at each other and wondered what we did.I went home that day and loaded up some 180 grn speers and went to the range the next weekend and couldn't believe my eyes.groups under a inch wow, what an improvement.
I love my 35 remington and think its around to stay.I think the newer guns that are made don`t hold a candle to the older ones as far as quality and finish.This is the reason i choose to purchase an older model and I think that most people feel the same. why get a new one for around $300 when you can pick up a used one thats much nicer for $200 or less? As long as these guns go into the woods we will see ammo on the shelves. but if marlin keeps churning out junk we might see this awesome round disappear from the manufacturers catalog.
Jarhead Ed
02-08-2004, 07:42 AM
The 35s aren't selling because they're not on the shelves. Either the dealers aren't willing to take a little risk, or Marlin isn't making them available. It's a shame in my book.....quite a woods cartridge.
s/f
Jarhead Ed
I don’t think I would continue it for 1,000 units. That’s sad because the 35 Rem has a dedicated following and I am one of them. However, if those numbers are true and I ran a gun shop or was the buyer for a big chain, I’d have my 35 in the safe out back with my other personal favorites and stock whatever the public wants in order to pay the rent.
Marlin will ultimately drop it for lack of interest. It’s just a functional and effective old cartridge, but not very exciting by today’s standards.
While there are newer, faster and presumably better choices, I own a 35 Rem because of its history as a venerable classic that has performed well at short ranges on most animals in North America for almost 100 years.
I also have to admit I feel the same way about my 7x57 and 45-70! They all do their job in the field if I do mine.
Chuck
Rifleranger
02-08-2004, 08:38 AM
The 35 Rem may be bland as a factory load, but I can assure you that when loaded to its full potential, it is darned close to the 356Win.
I have both and I think that at max capacity, the 356 gives you maybe 15% more respective distance, if that, and not a whole bunch more smack down power.
Guys, if you do have something in 35Rem, hang on to it, because if it is discontinued by Marlin, they will be overnight collectors items.
Glad I have 5 of them.
Ranger
Jack Monteith
02-08-2004, 08:49 AM
It's old and not exciting, so the gun rags ignore it, even if many hunters would be better of with a .35 than the latest Short Ultra Magnum (or is it Ultra Short Magnum). I've got mine, and I doubt if I'll buy another at my age. If I do expand my meagre gun collection there are several other guns I'd like that I don't have.
There must be a lot of them out there, as one of the gun rags (Petersen's Hunting, IIRC) did a survey on the most popular calibres about 15 years ago and the .35 was #10. Of course the T/C Contender accounted for some of that. You never know if the .35 will come back, the .45-70 was on life support for years.
Mine's been used by the neighbour's kids more than by me. It's light, doesn't kick too much and hits like a truck at any range they should be shooting at.
I wonder if Marlin would sell more if they chambered one of the economical hardwood or synthetic stocked models in .35?
Anyhow, we .35 Remington shooters can band together here.
Bye
Jack
Rifleranger -- What is your favorite power/bullet combination in your 35 Rem and what kind of velocities are you getting?
Chuck
seaweaver
02-08-2004, 03:58 PM
Yes Rifle ranger, we'ed like to know. I just loaded my first batch of .35's and have yet to shoot them. we went ahead and loaded them to factoy Rem corloct spect to see if there was a defference. I' getting close to three inch groups at 120 yrds on both guns w/ factoy loads... anything tighter than that and I' change my name to bullseye!
cw
fuudog
02-08-2004, 05:21 PM
Glad to see some 35 Rem comments. My old 336cs in 35 rem with 200 gr rem corelocts is a clean 1.5moa with a 4x scope, sometimes better. I have also found that by using varget and running up the fps alittle accuracy seems to improve. This cartridge has exceptional flexibility and potential. Also, it's range is well past 150yds accurately and with excellent energy even with the simple old 200 gr rem coreloct. This really is probably one of the most under-rated cartridges we have today. It seems that there may be some movement and interest back to "lower recoil" cartridges. If so, then maybe this will give the 35 it's needed boost.
I am another one that hopes they don't drop it. I had mine converted to .356 this fall, and now I'm looking for another one to take its place.I never took a deer with it, but the load I shot was pretty accurate.
I used 38.0 grains of IMR-4064, hornady 200 grain r.n. bullet and a cci200 primer. Gave me an average of 2020 f.p.s.
jst
Duesouth
02-08-2004, 08:29 PM
I have always believed that Marlin could sell a lot more of the .35's if they would flood the Wal Mart stores with them. It is rare to even find a .35 in Wal Mart. The 336W should be chambered in this round. All it wopuld take is a barrel change. If the .35 is not in the store, it is not going to sell.
GraybushyBuster
02-08-2004, 09:16 PM
I had my .35 rem 336c re-done into a 336 cowboy in 30-30.
What a sweet rifle!
I just did not like the feel of the recoil from the 35.
I am not too recoil sensitive; I love to hunt with my 444p...
There was something just a bit too sharp about the 35's recoil for what I was getting at the other end. My 30-30 kills deer with ease, ease at BOTH ends. -gbb
Duckbill
02-09-2004, 05:21 AM
I love my 35. Mine is a 1968 model. None of my Marlins are newer then '80. Unless they come out with a cartridge that interests me, I probably won't be buying any "new" Marlins. I would like to fill a cabinet with some more older ones, though. I never want to see a cartridge go away, but I can honestly say I probably wouldn't buy a new 35. I'm not a big cross-bolt safety fan and I believe the older guns were built better. Just my .02
nfmMike
02-09-2004, 08:03 AM
I have '57 336RC - straight stocked and micro-grooved, bought it fairly cheap, and I think it is great with just the Williams FP and worn finish. Shoots and looks like a woods carbine ought to!
The next .35 Rem I would like would be an older SC with the deep rifling.
nfmMike
02-09-2004, 08:33 AM
And YES!!! I would like to see the .35 Remington continue to be chambered.
hatch
02-09-2004, 10:07 AM
Perhaps the micro-groove rifling has some to do with this? Mine has it, altho i'd much prefer ballard type rifling to allow cast bullet shooting. My friends agree, and prefer the ballard rifling for the same reason.
nfmMike
02-09-2004, 10:39 AM
You know, maybe the seemingly permanent change in rifling is part of the reason that more sportsmen don't buy any new .35 Rem rifles from Marlin, but I gotta tell ya. Where mine hits at 100 yards when I am set right, does not leave me feeling at all inferior in the whitetail woods. And cleaning is pretty much a snap. I would like a longer, deep cut barrel, but that is just to play with. I would also like a 24" .32 WS, but that again is for playing. If I go in the woods, the carbines are the ones that come with me.
44 Mag
02-09-2004, 04:02 PM
Bought one today.
Was just about to order a 336 in .35, but checked in with a local gunshop. They'd bought one from someone who'd either won it or had received it as a gift and didn't want it (sacrelige!), so I snapped it up. I was not aware that Marlin no longer drills/taps the side of the receiver so my Williams FP won't fit it, but since this will be a hunting rifle I'll probably scope it anyway.
Will order dies, brass, and bullets tomorrow.
Have wanted one of these for years, yeeha!
44 Mag
naumann
02-09-2004, 04:21 PM
Last season was "The Year of the 35" at my house. I took an antelope and a mule deer with my 1972 336 in 35 Rem. and a spike elk with my Rem. 700 Classic in 35 Whelen in Wyoming. I carried the Marlin during four days of the December antlerless season in Missouri but had no shooting opportunities.
I like the 35's. I am convinced that good bullets at moderate velocity will do the job every time with good shot placement. Today this is almost heresy in the climate of magnum mania.
Like it or not, the American shooting public is as fickle and changeable as teenage girls. Nothing will hold the appeal of the masses for long. And the firearms industry will continuously pursue the masses. I fear that many, many useful and interesting cartridges will go by the wayside in the next 20 years because of marketing and bottom-line mentality.
Enjoy what you have. Shoot what you like. Accept that "the world will move on" for better or worse. :(
We have a Marlin in 35. Trouble is that Marlin built it to last a couple lifetimes. Probably won't be purchasing another. Bad for Marlin production lines, but true.
TR
44 Mag -- Congratulations on your new acquisition. Good to hear of another 35 sale. I know you will enjoy it!
naumann -- Congratulations to you, too. Thought you had to have a super mag to hunt mule deer and antelope? Just kidding. Could you have taken the elk with the 35?
Also, I believe you are right on in your assessment of the industry. Everyone is different and your quote really sums it up, "Enjoy what you have. Shoot what you like."
Chuck
mammoth
02-09-2004, 07:41 PM
I used to be a big fan of the 35 rem...had several marlins in 35...but have since last year decided that my 1895GS 45-70 is the better way to go!
There are PLENTY of 35 rems by Marlin on the gun shop shelves here in New York..New and Used.
I like getting more bang and the 45-70 does that and more! Given the choice, Why not just carry the 45-70 instead! Thats my 2 cents.
Best to all;
Jake
BCboy
02-09-2004, 08:07 PM
I hope Marlin keeps the 35 going and in my neck I don't see any sign they won't. Still available and orderable from what I can gather....
44 Mag
02-10-2004, 05:07 AM
I used to be a big fan of the 35 rem...had several marlins in 35...but have since last year decided that my 1895GS 45-70 is the better way to go!
There are PLENTY of 35 rems by Marlin on the gun shop shelves here in New York..New and Used.
I like getting more bang and the 45-70 does that and more! Given the choice, Why not just carry the 45-70 instead! Thats my 2 cents.
Best to all;
Jake
Mammoth,
I'm a big fan of the old .45-70 myself, have an NEF single shot that I hunted with this year. I was looking for a rifle for my wife to shoot however, and just didn't want to go the 7'08 route. So for me, the lighter recoil and flatter trajectory were the biggest factors over another .45-70.
I've never owned a .35 (don't see a lot of them down South, too bad!), so I'm hoping I can load the Speer 180 FN warm and still have moderate recoil in the Marlin. If not, I'll back off and just make it comfortable.
44 Mag
txpitdog
02-10-2004, 05:26 AM
I used to be a big fan of the 35 rem...had several marlins in 35...but have since last year decided that my 1895GS 45-70 is the better way to go!
I'm a .35 fan, got two Whelens and a '63 336SC. Need to get a .358Win, and maybe a .358 STA....then maybe I'll be satisfied. Anyway, I agree with your comment on the GS. My GS is noticeably lighter than my SC, and there's no question about the additional power. However, that old '63 SC carries really well, and it'll drop anything in Texas I point it at lightning quick.
The one huge thumbs up I give to the .35 is that it is the best combination of heavy hitting power, penetration, mild recoil, and decent trajectory of all the lever action calibers. With the .30-30, what you gain in trajectory and light recoil you pay for with less power. With the .44mag, what you gain with light recoil and penetration you pay for with shorter trajectory. With the big bores, the power you gain is paid for in recoil. The .35 is a very well rounded cartridge...and since I've got dies and 100 cases, it ain't dyin' any time soon in my garage!
Riflemen10x
02-10-2004, 11:55 AM
here is one thahttp://www.gunweek.com/2003/feature0301.htmlt I know you guys from malin talk have had a few threads on this one but i can`t help myself.
NH_Hunter
02-10-2004, 02:20 PM
I would really like to get a marlin 336 in .35 Remington, preferably an SC. I saw one in my Gun Trader thingy published by Stoeger, and just fell in love at first sight. It would look really nice along side my 336A in .30-30 with the 24(might be 22") barrel. If i cant get an SC, then the one i would get would be fitted with a redfield 2.5x that i have laying around.
NH_Hunter
Harry Snippe
02-10-2004, 06:45 PM
I am loading the 35 up abit with BLC-2 and h355.
with the 180 speer. Seems to work well in my rifle.
Once the snow is gone I work it up abit more watching for pressure signs.
It is quite apparent the marlin 336 will take a bit more pressure than the old remingtonpumps in 35 R.
I also load 200 Gr. GG RCBS loads over the load listed for jacketed bullet from Hornady .I crimp in the top band and use it for practice on steel plates. Cheap shooting
Happy
Harry -- I've never used H335, but heard from some 45-70 shooters that it can generate a substantial fireball. What kind of flash, if any, do you get with powder charges at the 35 level? Thanks.
Harry Snippe
02-11-2004, 04:16 AM
Harry -- I've never used H335, but heard from some 45-70 shooters that it can generate a substantial fireball. What kind of flash, if any, do you get with powder charges at the 35 level? Thanks.
Never noticed a fire flash . then I have been kept busy looking through the peep , the front sight , and just leverin' :D .
I have been using blc-2 since I got a lot of it on a deal and it works great in the 35 I find as well as in the 308.
imr 3031 is a good powder .
What are you using? I hears a lot about Remingtons 200 gr. I want to try some of these. they are supposed to open up fairly good with the 35. ;)
Terry Black
02-11-2004, 05:55 AM
Gettin' all misty-eyed, cause my son's 336 is in .30-30. I've been lugging around a Rem.141 in .35 Rem. for over thirty years, since my father gave it to me. I don't want to get into slide vs. lever,but it's a sweetheart. A truely great 150yd. woods gun.
txpitdog
02-11-2004, 11:08 AM
I'll confirm that fireball with H335 comment. the 22" 1895 45-70 put out a 2 foot flame at dusk when I tried shooting my Speer 400's with H335. I've since traded the 22" for a GS, and now I really want to see what H335 looks like!
ribbonstone
02-11-2004, 11:58 AM
Gettin' all misty-eyed, cause my son's 336 is in .30-30. I've been lugging around a Rem.141 in .35 Rem. for over thirty years, since my father gave it to me. I don't want to get into slide vs. lever,but it's a sweetheart. A truely great 150yd. woods gun.
Terry,
Have to agreee...the 14 and 141's were as good a Rem. pumps got. Terribley complicated by today's standards, but they last and last.
I've always wanted to mate the spiral magazine tube to a Marlin 336 action, and build a .250Savage lever gun.
Sidespin
02-11-2004, 12:42 PM
I have '57 336RC - straight stocked and micro-grooved, bought it fairly cheap, and I think it is great with just the Williams FP and worn finish. Shoots and looks like a woods carbine ought to!
The next .35 Rem I would like would be an older SC with the deep rifling.
nfmMike, is that 57RC sweet or what?? I have one of those as well, straight stock, good wood. About 85%. It is my favorite rifle just to look at, have never shot it.
Naturally I would love to see the .35 continued. I have repetedly asked for a .35SS (Stainless) but I don't look for it to happen.
If Marlin has funds it is propping up the .35 with, or any other caliber or model you really can't blame them for discontinuing it. It all depends on the out flows of cash and IRR (internal rate of return) those dollars are yielding. If funds allocated to the .35 are yielding 4, 3, 2% or less and the 30-30 funds are yielding 8, 9, 10% or more then Marlin can't keep churning out .35's just because we want them to.
While I would shed a tear if .35 production ceased, I would understand.
Trouble is that Marlin builds their rifles to last a couple lifetimes. This does not help sell new rifles. We have a great old Marlin in 35 but won't be buying another. Perhaps we should all encourage new hunters to buy a 35.
TR
44 Mag
02-11-2004, 06:28 PM
I'll confirm that fireball with H335 comment. the 22" 1895 45-70 put out a 2 foot flame at dusk when I tried shooting my Speer 400's with H335. I've since traded the 22" for a GS, and now I really want to see what H335 looks like!
Txpit,
I was looking around for .45-70 load data for my favorite slow powder, 760. I emailed Winchester about it and finally got a reply that in straight walled cases (well, .45-70 is almost straight), 760 and other ball powders can produce muzzle flash of "Biblical proportions".
I do get a fair muzzle flash in my .308 with 760, but it has an 18 1/2" barrel. H335 may be in the same class-- your Moses Load.
44 Mag
I guess I got lucky, as I bought my .35 at Walmart, and pick up a box or two of factory loads when ever I need some brass and fun at the range there as well. Let us encourage ownership and future purchase of this wonderful old cartridge, as it has provided me with such wonderful hunting experiences in the past, it would be a shame to let it go away.
WMC21
02-12-2004, 01:31 PM
Harry: I must be one of the 1000, that purchased a Marlin 336, in .35 Rem., last year. I thought it would compliment my 336SC in .32 Win. Sp, and my 336SS in .30-30. I now own the "Big Three"!
Never noticed a fire flash . then I have been kept busy looking through the peep , the front sight , and just leverin' :D .
I have been using blc-2 since I got a lot of it on a deal and it works great in the 35 I find as well as in the 308.
imr 3031 is a good powder .
What are you using? I hears a lot about Remingtons 200 gr. I want to try some of these. they are supposed to open up fairly good with the 35. ;)
H4895 with the Speer 180 FP is the only combination I've tried so far. It works very well in my 336. I'm very fortunate because it really likes the 200 gr Rem factory load, too.
I started with the 180 gr thinking it was more lightly constructed and might expand better on whitetails than the Rem 200 gr. After years of loading for the .270, 7mm and 30-06 and always using lighter bullets (130-150gr) for deer, that 200 grain bullet seemed stout!
As you say, though, it appears the Rem 200 gr is designed to open up at 35 Rem velocities. I'm going to try them also.
Chuck
H4895 with the Speer 180 FP is the only combination I've tried so far. It works very well in my 336. I'm very fortunate because it really likes the 200 gr Rem factory load, too.
I started with the 180 gr thinking it was more lightly constructed and might expand better on whitetails than the Rem 200 gr. After years of loading for the .270, 7mm and 30-06 and always using lighter bullets (130-150gr) for deer, that 200 grain bullet seemed stout!
As you say, though, it appears the Rem 200 gr is designed to open up at 35 Rem velocities. I'm going to try them also.
Chuck
The Speer Hot-Core bonded 180 grain bullet would give you excellent penetration and expansion at higher velocities than the 200 can be pushed. This is not to say that the good old Cor-loct (200) won't stay together when handloaded faster than factory offerings, but I believe that the lighter bullet would be better if your shots may exceed 200 yards, and you need or want the extra range without as much drop. If so, then it becomes a matter of getting the 180 going at least 2200fps, and the closer to 2400 fps the better. I had the link to an article, titled ".35 Remington II", by Paco, which explained this in detail, and gave several loads along with the ballistics, but it's been archived and I cannot locate it again. To overcome the loss in sectional density the 180 suffers versus the 200 and especially the 220, the 180 needs added speed to be effective and flat shooting at larger deer and other heavier game around the 200 yard range. Still, as a woods cartridge, the 180 should perform just as well at more moderate velocities as either of the other two alternatives. One isn't better than the other, and I hope our discussion leads more folks to start buying .35's, so we can bring it roaring back to life and popularity such as the case of the 45-70.
SFT -- Thanks for the insight. I'm going to keep working with the Speer 180. Hope you can find that article, I'm sure a lot of us would like to read it.
44 Mag
02-13-2004, 04:49 AM
The Speer Hot-Core bonded 180 grain bullet would give you excellent penetration and expansion at higher velocities than the 200 can be pushed. This is not to say that the good old Cor-loct (200) won't stay together when handloaded faster than factory offerings, but I believe that the lighter bullet would be better if your shots may exceed 200 yards, and you need or want the extra range without as much drop. If so, then it becomes a matter of getting the 180 going at least 2200fps, and the closer to 2400 fps the better. I had the link to an article, titled ".35 Remington II", by Paco, which explained this in detail, and gave several loads along with the ballistics, but it's been archived and I cannot locate it again. To overcome the loss in sectional density the 180 suffers versus the 200 and especially the 220, the 180 needs added speed to be effective and flat shooting at larger deer and other heavier game around the 200 yard range. Still, as a woods cartridge, the 180 should perform just as well at more moderate velocities as either of the other two alternatives. One isn't better than the other, and I hope our discussion leads more folks to start buying .35's, so we can bring it roaring back to life and popularity such as the case of the 45-70.\
SFT,
Thanks for that. I'm about to order dies and bullets for my newly-acquired .35 and was thinking the same thing about the 180. The only shot I got at all this past year was right at 200 yds (made it, .308 Win), and a flatter-shooting bullet that will still expand at 200-250 yds at .35 velocities is what I'm after, without going to 150 gr.
Sure wish that article were still available...
44 Mag
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SFT,
Thanks for that. I'm about to order dies and bullets for my newly-acquired .35 and was thinking the same thing about the 180. The only shot I got at all this past year was right at 200 yds (made it, .308 Win), and a flatter-shooting bullet that will still expand at 200-250 yds at .35 velocities is what I'm after, without going to 150 gr.
Sure wish that article were still available...
44 Mag
I have been after that article for a while, and short of e-mailing Paco himself, I've come up short. I did however, copy and save the first part of it on another computer, and I'll just have to see if it's still there.
As for the 150, it is designed to expand at the relatively slower velocities the factory loads it for, and I just couldn't use it without much reservation past 150 yards, even with perfect site picture and shot placement. A few .35's won't group the 150's well, and mine falls in that catagory, but other's use it exclusively and with great success. For your anticipated hunting situation, driving the 180 as near to 2400fps as you can without endangering your life should be your goal. This load nearly duplicates the original .300 Savage factory loads, and we know the .300 is still well respected as a deer and elk slayer. I fear that without discussions such as this, the .35 may go the way of the .300, barely hanging on, with most rifles chambered for it going into antique status.
papajohn428
02-15-2004, 09:16 AM
The biggest problem might be that only the 35 Rem owners are shooting them, there's no hype in the gun rags. What's so exciting about cleanly killing deer, boar, and bears?
I bet if Marlin brought out some newer models, offered laminated stocks, hunting packages, ANYTHING new, people would sit up and take notice.
I never knew how much I loved lever guns until I started shooting them. I never knew how great the 35 Rem. is until I bought one. I guess we've been preaching to the choir for too long. Maybe we should leave the church more often, go forth, and PREACH!
Amen, Brothers, yea and verily!
PJ
Magumba
02-17-2004, 06:12 PM
I've been a lurker on this forum for a long time, I'm now a MT orphan too.
I've been a Marlin 336 .35 Remington shooter and reloader for the past 26 years. It was my first rifle, not counting the Army, given to me as a Christmas gift by my wife. I sure love that rifle. I think it's a great ballance between power, weight, and recoil.
I've been afraid that the .35 Remington has not been doing well in sales. It's only chambered on one model of the 336. While on MT I often posted that Marlin should chamber the .35 in more then just one model of the 336. How about a stainless version, or that funny camo stock. If they did they would increase interest in the .35 Remington.
I hope it holds on for a few more years, it's almost 100 years old, it was first chambered in the 336 in 1953, so it's been a Marlin round for 50 of those years.
Shoot safe, shoot a .35
Harry Snippe
02-18-2004, 05:22 AM
I've been a lurker on this forum for a long time, I'm now a MT orphan too.
I've been a Marlin 336 .35 Remington shooter and reloader for the past 26 years. It was my first rifle, not counting the Army, given to me as a Christmas gift by my wife. I sure love that rifle. I think it's a great ballance between power, weight, and recoil.
I've been afraid that the .35 Remington has not been doing well in sales. It's only chambered on one model of the 336. While on MT I often posted that Marlin should chamber the .35 in more then just one model of the 336. How about a stainless version, or that funny camo stock. If they did they would increase interest in the .35 Remington.
I hope it holds on for a few more years, it's almost 100 years old, it was first chambered in the 336 in 1953, so it's been a Marlin round for 50 of those years.
Shoot safe, shoot a .35
It has been my hope to get a little more powder in the case of the 35 Rem that would be safe . Hence if we can find a round that would shoot as fast and straight asthe 30/30, with the killing power ofthe 35 bullet , then we might be able to spark some more interst in the ol' girl.
I have stated before that I intend to work up with BLC-2, but see a few lads working the H335 Loads.
Let us see what works the best
SFT if you would send me a PM on your 2400 load , I think I am loading about the same in my 336 RC but do not own a chrony
Happy
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