None of my manuals list ballistic tables for the 35REM 180gr speer. I've got some good loads with them in terms of accuracy. I plan on putting them thru the chrono this weekend. Does anybody have tables or can point me to them? I've got plenty on the 200gr.
Thanks

Speer published a BC of .245, that and the muzzle velocity of your load should be all you need. With those numbers, anybody's ballistics tables should be reasonably close.

None of my manuals list ballistic tables for the 35REM 180gr speer. I've got some good loads with them in terms of accuracy. I plan on putting them thru the chrono this weekend. Does anybody have tables or can point me to them? I've got plenty on the 200gr.
Thanks

Duckbill,

Go to my site: http://home.carolina.rr.com/acarpenter/Linked%20Photos/Loading_Data/

Click on the files I uploaded there. You will see actual pictures from Speer's Loading Manual #12. I hope this helps. Depending on how your browser is set you may have to position your cursor over the picture to get the "resize" icon to appear to the lower right of the picture, then click that icon to view the picture in it's original size. Pics are around 850X470 pixels. Hope this helps. They have a wierd way of using those tables but you will figure it out. They are based on a ballistic coefficient of .24!

(I hope this doesn't get me in trouble!).

Carwi,
Thanks...that's exactly what I was looking for.

Duckbill...

I use 38.0 grains of H4895 in my 336D. It chronographs at 2090 FPS out of it's 18.5" barrel.

Thanks RD,
I've gotten real good accuracy with H335 and IMR3031. I finally picked up a chronograph. Until now, I've always loaded strictly for tight groups and watched for pressure signs. It's time to step it up a notch and really find out what these loads are doing. If it's not raining, I'll be shooting Saturday. I'll let you know what kind of numbers I get.

Thanks RD,
I've gotten real good accuracy with H335 and IMR3031. I finally picked up a chronograph. Until now, I've always loaded strictly for tight groups and watched for pressure signs. It's time to step it up a notch and really find out what these loads are doing. If it's not raining, I'll be shooting Saturday. I'll let you know what kind of numbers I get.


Duckbill,

Yeah, I'd be real interested in that too!


44 Mag

Carwi
Thanks for the Tables
cw

Duckbill...

I use 38.0 grains of H4895 in my 336D. It chronographs at 2090 FPS out of it's 18.5" barrel.

I'm also using H4895 and the Speer 180. My 38.0 load averages 2041 from a 20-inch barrel. It's an accurate load for me. Nonetheless, I just put together a box with some 38.5 and 39.0 (MAX per latest Hodgdon annual manual) loads and am anxious to try them. Have you tried anything above 38.0? If so, what kind of results?

Also, I understand you are gambling on a hunt with some Oklahoma guys you met on-line. You're a gutsy
fellow or hard-up for hunting companions! Watch out for them--they are hungry to kill a hog and they can shoot!

Chuck

Good thread. The 180 gr, 35 cal slug is overlooked but it is my experience that it may be the most versatile bullet of the bunch if it can be loaded accurately, and apparently it can. I have only bought one box of 180 factory loads, that's all I have found on the shelf.

Ranch Dog, that's moving out of an 18 inch barrel, I'm impressed.

Carwi -- great info. Did I miss the description of the projectile?

Harry Snipe - I thought I had seen your loads posted somewhere a while back. I just found them over at "loadswap". You list 42gr of H335 over the 180gr speer bullet. :eek: WOW! :eek: I was pushing primers at 38gr of H335 in my 336. Was this out of another gun, like a Rem141 or 760 pump?

Harry Snippe - I thought I had seen your loads posted somewhere a while back. I just found them over at "loadswap". You list 42gr of H335 over the 180gr speer bullet. :eek: WOW! :eek: I was pushing primers at 38gr of H335 in my 336. Was this out of another gun, like a Rem141 or 760 pump?

Every gun is different . My 336/36 is an older RC with the ballard rifling and sings this load along quite well. The powder lot is about five years old to me, and the data comes from a Lee Data manual compiled with Hodgon powders.
It is always advised to start about 10% low as this is a max load.
So if I were to start over with a new lot of powderI think I would load down to about 37.5 abouts and start there.

Well, I got to do some shooting on Saturday. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any 180's loaded up. I, did however, get to test some 200gr loads. I was pleased with the accuracy but a little dissapointed in the velocities.
1968 Marlin 336RC 35REM
open sights
200gr Hornady Rnd

31gr RL-7 - mv 1936 - 2" groups @ 100yds
36gr H335 - mv 1925 - 1" groups @ 50yds
36gr IMR3031 - mv 1961 - 1-1/4" groups @ 50yds

The velocities were 3 shot averages.

Well, I got to do some shooting on Saturday. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any 180's loaded up. I, did however, get to test some 200gr loads. I was pleased with the accuracy but a little dissapointed in the velocities.
1968 Marlin 336RC 35REM
open sights
200gr Hornady Rnd

31gr RL-7 - mv 1936 - 2" groups @ 100yds
36gr H335 - mv 1925 - 1" groups @ 50yds
36gr IMR3031 - mv 1961 - 1-1/4" groups @ 50yds

The velocities were 3 shot averages.
The data from Alliant shows
31.0 @21115fps @30700 cup, so I would be trying to work up on that load a bit watching for pressure signs of course.

My Lee/Hodgdon shows a load of
39 of H335 for a Vel of 2057 with the 200 Gr, where my Hodgon Basic reloader Manual 2000 shows
37 gr@2048@33,200cup.
The best load for the HornadyRN lists
Varget @39.5@2139vel@33,300cup.
Then next best load
H4895@38.5going 2110 at 32,300cup.
Then BL-c(2)
41.5going2011 At 31,700 cup
I would venture with the H4895 trying to get up to 39 grs.but do not have a chrony to work with.
The hornady bullet I read does not expand that well below2000 fps at deer sized game at the range of the 35 Remington. This had been noted a fewtimes on MT as well as some of the older gun magazines that I have read . It was suggested that we load the Remington 200 gr. as it expanded better.
I am waiting to get rid of the 4' of snow and the black fly season to end , before getting out with the 366/35 and trying out some of the 200 Remington loads as well as the 180 speer that I have started loading with.
In the meantime if any one is working a chronywould they continue sharing their findings ?
Thank you in advance
Happy

Harry, thanks for the reply. I may give the H4895 a try. I also may try beefing up the Alliant load. What concerned me is that the book said 2115fps with 31gr and I didn't get close to that. I understand that this was probalby a 24" test barrel and all, but I'm almost 200fps slower than that. At 30,000cup, I feel like I've got some room to play. I haven't noticed any signs of excess pressure at all. Hope you get thawed out up there. It's a bit chilly here, too(about 70 deg) :D .

Finally got to test some 180's and thought I'd share some results.
1968 Marlin 336 w/peep sights
20" barrel
resting on sand bags


I tested RL-7, H335, and H4895

Accuracy loads:
37gr of H335 1" @ 50yds 2036fps
33gr of RL-7 1-1/8" @ 50yds 2081fps
37.5gr of H4895 1-1/2" @ 50yds 2000fps

Speed loads:
33gr RL-7 2081fps
38gr H335 2078fps
39gr H4895 2091fps

Comments:
I was dissapointed with the H4895 in my rifle. I was able to achieve a little higher velocity, but accuracy suffered badly. H335 did fairly well as I was able to find an accurate load.
RL-7 impressed me the most. I was able to get a good group at a higher velocity.

I now will take the RL-7 load and begin tweaking it with bullet seating and fine tuning the powder charge.

Duckbill

Several years ago, I interpolated the loads for 180 gr Speer FN softpoint from the Lyman #47 for my 336. 31.5 gr Reloder 7 shot beautifully. Point of impact @ 100yds was the same as the factory 200 gr RN soft point. Recoil was less, pressure signs non-existent. If I remember correctly, this was very near the starting point load (32.5 gr w/ 200 gr is a healthy load, but within pressure limits in the "book").

Dave

DPASTOR,
The 33 gr of RL-7 showed no signs of pressure and the recoil was still less than any of my 200gr loads. I really enjoy shooting the 180's.

Sidespin,

It seems like years ago I remember 180 grain factory loads. Was it Federal? I could be wrong.

Is there anyone presently offering 180 grain factory loaded ammunition? That would make an interesting day of punching paper.

To my knowledge, none do. I believe they would sell if they did. 30-30 ammo comes in the 170's and 150's, so why shouldn't 35 ammo be offered in 200's and 180's. Maybe a choice of ammo would help spark the interest in 35REM's.

To my knowledge, none do. I believe they would sell if they did. 30-30 ammo comes in the 170's and 150's, so why shouldn't 35 ammo be offered in 200's and 180's. Maybe a choice of ammo would help spark the interest in 35REM's.

Duckbill, I agree with you wholeheartedly.