So what is everyone opinion about the Gov.new ideas on the pistol permit thing? I am a big handgun guy and think this is crazzy. I am 24 and love my hand guns. with school and other costs it is hard for me to afford to shoot as much as I would like let alone trying to come up with another $100.

http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9487/

link to article about this topic

ICS...I've written to both my State Assembly Rep and Senate Rep to voice my opinion...I have recieved letters back from both stating they would vote against this proposal...Don't forget they want $25.00 per pistol when you Re-Register them every 5 years...Since I have 4 handguns and they are listed on 2 permits (Mine and My Wifes) it looks like I would have to pay $400.00 every 5 years just to possess these guns...I guess George see's it this way..."If I can't ban them I'll tax them to a point where they can't afford them"...****ed Democrat in Republican Clothing!!!!

ICS, I got my pistol permit here in New York in 1969 after returning home from the RVN. It is a concealed carry w/ no restrictions. I think the new law that the Governor wants passed concerning the renewal of handguns and the uping of the charge for an amendment is total a money grab like everything else. The Governors spokesman even stated that this was being done for safety reasons. Apparently Mr. Quinn dosen't realize that this practice has been going on for years in New York City and on Long Island and one just has to look at the murder rate there to see that isn't the reason. Respectfully, M.R.

So it seems to me that the government thinks that people with lower income are less resopsible when it comes to hand guns than people with larger incomes. That is what I get out of the whole thing. If they are going charge me $100 pluss the $25, then thats $250 bucks for all the guns on my permit? thats nuts! I have 4 handguns of my fathers on there as well as two of my own. so what else should I do? who should I write to? who should I talk to to voice my opinion?

If you aren't already a member join the NRA...also write your State Representatives by going to this page ( http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?title=NRA%20Institute%20for%20Legislativ e%20Action&url=http://www.nraila.org ) then clicking on the "Write your Representative" in the blue box at the left of the page. NY gun owners need to band together like never before since we are being attacked from all sides this year....There were reports from this weekend of Anti-Gun Protests in Westchester County at a local Gun Show...They want to ban more semi-auto rifles and list them as Assault weapons...Plus the Mayor of NY City has publicly announced that he hates gun owners and wants all guns banned in NY City...we are in for a heck of a fight!!!... :mad:

Hi Guys,

Glad to see we have some NY people staying abreast of this issue.

Get involved with SCOPENY http://scopeny.org/index.html and the NYSRPA http://www.nysrpa.org/ and keep the letters and calls going to your State Senators and Assemblymen. Tell your gun clubs about this and spread the word around.

The real story is the requirement to "declare" ALL your firearms, yes all, to the state police (license authority) if you have a pistol permit. This is nothing but total firearm registration done covertly.

Would be a simple matter after that to require ALL gunowners to do the same.

Don't get trapped into the dollars and cents argument as the be all and end all of this issue.

There are more than 1 million handgun permit holders in NYS. That's clout if we stick together and get involved to fight this.


Regards

Statewide alert

Governor Pataki's proposed 2004-05 budget

Included in Pataki's 2004-05 budget is a proposal to REVOKE ALL LIFETIME LICENSES, impose 5-year renewable pistol licenses in all counties outside of New York City, Long Island, and Westchester, charge a $100 state fee on all pistol licenses, charge a $25 state fee on all amendments to the license, and allow local jurisdictions to impose addition fees as well. It would also allow licensing agents to review your license and make any changes he sees fit, and requires license holders to list ALL PERSONALLY OWNED FIREARMS.

All gun owners need to contact the Governor and state legislators immediately. Current bill numbers are Assembly bill A-9556 and Senate bill S-6056. You can look up your legislators by zip code at the Assembly and Senate website and use these pre-written postcards. Mail should be addressed to:

Governor George E. Pataki
State Capitol
Albany, New York 12224
Phone: 518-474-8390
Fax: 518-474-1041 or 212-681-4595

Assemblyman xxx
Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12248

Senator xxx
Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12247

Keep Notes and Messages CIVIL!

Thanks for the info... I will get right on drafting a letter in regards to this issue. I will also post my letter so anyone else can take a look at it and maybe we can share some ideas. Come on NY'ers arn't you sick of what is going on in this state?

I don`t think there sick Just dumb :confused: .Remember we as a state voted for clinton and shumer What do you expect.Im ready to move to PA
Riflemen10x

Dear Mr. Riflemen10x

Thank you for your e-mail regarding Senate Bill S.2326b, allowing hunters
in certain counties to hunt bear and deer by the use of rifles.

This legislation was amended on January 15, 2004, in the Senate
Environmental Conservation Committee. It was also amended in the Assembly,
which is critical for this legislation to become law.

Be assured that as an avid supporter of the 2nd Amendment and sportsmen, I
will closely look at this bill as it comes before the Senate for a vote.

On another note, you may be interested to know that I am opposed to the
Governor’s budget proposal to establish a statewide licensing fee on
pistols and the establishment of a five year expiration date on all pistol
licenses and a recertification for license renewals. I will do everything
in my power to eliminate these proposals from the 2004-2005 State Budget.

Thank you again for contacting me. If I may be of any assistance in the
future, do not hesitate to call.

Sincerely,

Pat McGee
State Senator

This is a E-mail i recived for a reply from my local senator.I was glad to see she had the right idea.And by the way i don`t even own a handgun.
Riflemen10x

Friday, February 13, 2004

Permit plan riles gun owners
Pataki wants to add costs to cut deficit
By Anthony Farmer
Poughkeepsie Journal


Pat Fairchild has been shooting for nearly three decades.

To her, it's just recreation, a form of relaxation.

She doesn't hunt and you won't catch her packing heat, walking around the streets like some cowboy.

''We take them to the range and we shoot,'' Fairchild said. ''We practice or compete.''

But when she steps up to the firing line at the shooting range, it's just her, the gun and the target.

It doesn't matter how big or small you are, how old you are or if you're a man or a woman, she said.

''It's a sport where a woman has the same advantage as a man,'' said Fairchild, who lives in the Town of East Fishkill. ''How many sports can you say that about?''

Costs could go up

But Fairchild and her family, and others like her, may soon be paying a lot more for their sport -- if Gov. George Pataki gets his way.

As part of his 2004-05 budget, Pataki has proposed making handgun permits, currently issued for life, renewable every five years, while tacking on other new fees. The plan has received little support in the Legislature.

If approved, Pataki's plan could raise as much as $11.3 million a year, according to the governor's budget office. The plan is aimed at helping the state close a budget deficit of $4 billion to $5 billion.

Pataki proposed charging $100 every five years for the permit, plus $25 for each additional handgun someone with a permit wants to use.

That doesn't include what a county would charge for handling the permitting process.

Pataki has proposed letting counties charge whatever they want for dealing with that responsibility.

Dutchess County Sheriff Butch Anderson said the current $10 application fee would have to be raised. The two full-time workers and one part-time workers handling pistol permits can't keep up with all the work they have now, he said.

''It's going to double our work,'' Anderson said.

Fairchild has three shooters in her family, including her husband and daughter. The three are all licensed to use any of the 10 handguns they own.

That would mean the family would have to pay nearly $1,000 every five years to maintain their hobby. And that's without whatever the county decides to charge.

While that's enough to get most gun owners riled up, there's more.

The fact they need a license in the first place, to exercise a Constitutional right guaranteed under the Second Amendment, is objectionable to them.

Most fear these kinds of steps will only lead to their guns -- used for sport and protection -- being taken away from them.

''It lays open the possibility that at any time, the state Legislature could say, 'We're not renewing them any more,' '' said Norm Dauerer, a Hopewell Junction resident and member of the Wallkill Rod & Gun Club. ''That's one way of getting in the back door and putting a ban on handguns.''

The proposal has received a cool reception from the state Senate's Republican majority. Pataki would need agreement from both houses of the state Legislature to put the plan in place.

Issue generates most reaction

One local senator said he's heard more from constituents about this issue than virtually any other related to the governor's budget plan.

''By far, the gun issue is the biggest,'' said Sen. John Bonacic, R-Mount Hope.

Sens. Steve Saland, R-Poughkeepsie, and Vincent Leibell, R-Patterson, sent a joint memo to Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno recently expressing their opposition to the plan.

''I don't think it's likely they'll be in the budget that's finally adopted,'' Saland said of the new fees.

Leibell predicted the proposal won't go anywhere.

''It's dead,'' Leibell said. ''It's not an appropriate revenue source.''

To some who own firearms, Pataki has abandoned his Republican/Conservative roots. To them, this latest proposal is another in a line of restrictions on gun owners put in place by the governor.

''We were better off under (Mario) Cuomo,'' David Warshaw, Dutchess County Chairman of the Shooters Committee on Political Education, or SCOPE, said of the former Democratic governor.

If the new fees do go through, there's nothing to stop them from going up every five years, Warshaw said.

At the very least, Warshaw said, anyone currently holding a lifetime permit should be grandfathered in under the proposed regulations, if approved.

''We were told they would be good for life, unless revoked for good cause,'' Warshaw said. ''I don't consider the budget good cause.''

On the Web

For information on obtaining a pistol permit, visit the Web sites of the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office or the Ulster County Sheriff's Office.

- www.dutchessny.gov/CountyGov/Departments/Sheriff/SHIndex.htm

- www.co.ulster.ny.us/sheriff

My letter to be sent to the Gov. office

Dear Mr. Pataki,

I am writing in regards to the proposed bill (A-9556, S-6056). I would like to express my opinion in regards to the new limitations presented for gun owners in this bill. I am 24 years old, a pistol and gun owner as well as a business owner. I feel that this bill will not only negatively effect the thousands of hand gun owners in our state, but our community as a whole.
Adding additional fees and regulations to gun owners is just asking for trouble. Many people that own hand guns are carrying them and keeping them in their homes for many reasons one of the biggest is self defense. Many people have a real concern for their safety. Living in a bad neighborhood and maybe in low income areas owning a gun maybe one of the few options that these people can rely on to defend themselves. If large fees are added these people may not be able to afford the added costs and either surrender their guns and in effect leaving them defenseless, or essentially forcing them to become criminals by owning an unregistered weapon.

Although I am a gun owner and value this right, I also value life and right for people to feel safe. If I felt that this law would greatly improve the safety of everyday life I would be all for it, but it seems to me that there would be many more problems as a result than there is solutions. In the 1920’s during prohibition, as everyone knows, alcohol was attempted to be abolished. There is absolute proof that alcohol douse causes problems in our society and yet we still allow people to consume it. The reason for this is that the disadvantages of making it illegal out way the disadvantages of having it be legal. I feel that gun owner ship can be compared to this lesson learned so long ago. By slowly adding fees and more regulations, guns are being taken out of the hands of the law abiding citizens and left in the sole possession of criminals.

Continuously raising the cost of living in NYS is no way to get our state out of the economic slump that it seems to be in. Being 24 years old I am personally experiencing the flow of our societies youth out of our cities and state. Very few of my friends from high school are still in NYS. Most have left to find employment in cities like Atlanta, LA, Pittsburgh and Charlotte N.C. The younger generation of today will be the economic force of tomorrow and losing them to other states will eventually drive NYS into further economic decline.

I love NYS. I like the weather and the people and the countless things there is to do in this state. However with the constant added regulations, tax raises and cost of living increases I am afraid that it is headed down a path that I don’t want to travel. It would be very hard for me to leave a place where I have grown up and where my family lives. But I am slowly being convinced that I may have to join my friends in their decision to find a place that holds its citizens wishes and well being in higher regard.

Make sure that you contact everyone who you know that can make a difference. Governor, etc. I just read that all of the representatives from my area are against the new proposals concerning handgun licensing. I admit that I voted for Paraki, I won't make that mistake again. He refuseas to collect the anywhere from 40 million to 400 million dollars due "by law" from the Oneida nation gambling but will try to stick it to us on handgun fees which is very minimal next to what that could do to help fund the state government. Respectfully, M.R.

Boy, am I glad I left NY after 48 years in Deleware county were pistol permits with no restrictions were fairly easy to get. Here in VA we have to renew our concelled carry permits every 5 years but do not have to list them on the permit. And don't need one for unconcelled carry or possession.

Boy, am I glad I left NY after 48 years in Deleware county

OK Lynn rub it in... Ya I am leaving NYS this Aug. I can't wait! moving out west. I kind of compare moving out of state like putting down the family pet (hang on hear me out) It is a sad thing but you have to put it out of it's misery before it gets really bad. I have to get out of NY before it get worse. It is going to be hard to leave my family behide and all my friends but it is better off I think this way. Hey but, I am still writing letters for the people that are left / stuck in NY, so don;t think that I am totally deserting you all

If you don't mind the asking, what state you looking at and do you have a job lined up?

Going to Montana, I am going to one of them guiding and packing schools in Aug. Maybe I'll get a job at the hunting camp and do that for a couple of years. I am right now working with a couple of internet businesses so I will still have some money comming in while out roaming the mountains. I know it sounds nuts but if I don't do it now I never will, and might live to regret it

I thought it was bad here in California. You folks in NY have it worse than we do.. If CA tried to make me register my handguns I will not do it, period. I am planning on moving to Nevada next year. Good bye California.... Rick

I thought it was bad here in California. You folks in NY have it worse than we do.. If CA tried to make me register my handguns I will not do it, period. I am planning on moving to Nevada next year. Good bye California.... Rick

It is Kinda sad that there are so many of us that are so fed up with the way our state goverment is run that we have to move to another to find a place that we fit in. To bad there isn't a place where we can all go. A place where everyone shares the same views on protecting our freedoms. Not just the freedom to own guns, but just freedoms in general. ohhhh wait there is!

Check out this site...
www.freestateproject.org

New York Senate Rejects Handgun Fee Increase



Monday, March 01, 2004 The New York State Senate has rejected Governor George Pataki`s (R) plan contained in budget bills S. 6056/A. 9556 that would have required handgun licensees to pay a $100 "certification" fee to the state; institute a five-year expiration period for licenses (currently most jurisdictions issue lifetime licenses); and charge a fee of $25 for each handgun owned, as well as for amendments, transfers, and duplicates. Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno (R-43) had expressed his dislike for the plan from the outset, indicating that to single out the state`s 1.2 million licensed law-abiding handgun carriers with this large fee increase is unfair. The budget process won`t be over until it`s finally adopted by the Legislature, so it is important to encourage lawmakers to continue to stand firm in opposing the Governor`s plan. To get contact information for your Representatives please use the "Write Your Representatives" feature at www.NRAILA.org.


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Hi guys
Just got this letter in the mail from my state Assembly men.I suggest we do as he says and flood him with e-mails.Heres the letter.
Dear Riflemen10x,
As you may have heard, the executive's proposed budget includes a plan to impose a $100.00 pistol permit fee when licensing firearms or renewing permits-- a tax i am opposed to. Responsible gun owners shouldn't be forced to bear such an unreasonable financial burden.
Handgun owners already pay substantial fees and endure extensive and thorough background checks. The first time an individual applies for a pistol permit through the Chautauqua County Sheriff's office, he or she often pays $118 for processing fingerprints with the county and the FBI, the application fee, the required safety course, and other fees.
In addition to the $100 fee, the executive's proposal would:
require pistol owners to renew their permits every five years;
cost an estimated 560,000 gun owners statewide a net $56 million every five-year period; and
allow local jurisdictions to impose unlimited additional fees.

By adding to the burdens of law-abiding gun owners, this plan could actually compromise public safety. If costs to own a gun continue to escalate, then more people might try to keep them illegally because they can't afford to register.
Help me fight these increases by writing my office with your concerns; then i'll forward your views to the governor, Together, we can let him know these hidden taxes are wrong and urge him to reconsider these and any other new taxes. Mail can be sent to either my district office at Hotel Jamestown Bldg,. room 809, Jamestown, NY 14701; my office in Albany at 828 LOB, Albany, NY 12248. Or you can e-mail me at parmenw@assembly.state.ny.us to help get the governor to stop these tax hikes.


Sincerely,
William Parment
Member of Assembly