What do Y'all think about a snub nosed 45 Colt/ .410 revolver called the Thunder Five??? Personally, I'd Like to have one. I've seen them at a few gun shows. Not exactly a concealable piece, but a big load of power. Maybe keep in the glovebox for some serious self defense.:D Or in a deep sea fishing tackle box for sharks or something. And NO I'm NOT making this up. I'll post a link for those of u who don't believe me.

http://www.thunder5.com


Walter30-06:cool:

thats gonna leave a mark...

My ittybitty five shot Taurus is a handfull. That would perhaps be a double handfull.

It would be interesting to see how the shot pattern is at ten feet w/ the .410 loads

I'm not big on compromise and a 45/410 of any flavor is a compromise. The chamber is cut long enough the 410 shell and the 45 colt has a triple Weatherby free-bore jump to the rifling. It just has to be super accurate with that configuration :rolleyes: . Not for me thanks, besides the ones I've looked at were fitted like a blind man in the dark did it. Sean

Well, it sure is ugly....

Well, it sure is ugly....

Ditto that. At least you wouldn't cry if it was stolen, LOL.

It would appear to combine the weak ballistics and limited (and expensive) choices for self defense ammo of the .410 with the horrible inaccuracy that a mile-long freebore must surely bring to the .45 Colt with it's typical soft lead bullets (in factory guise).

If the rifling is effective at all, it'll scatter the shot charge to kingdom come, and I'd be astonished if it'll even group the .45 colt rounds on a paper plate at 50 feet. Plus the long free-bore is just going to kill performance of the .45 Colt as powder gasses blow past the bullet till it hits the forcing cone, further reducing what would not be real impressive muzzle velocity to begin with.

Might load it with black powder, if at night, the bad guys would think that you have a hand-held flamethrower.

The only thing worse that they could do to this gun would be to port it. Don't tell me, that's probably a factory option, LOL....

Pass.

I looked at one and saw it firing. I refused to fire it. I never do that. Its not that good.

Think the post so far have done a good job of talking you out of the fixation. Just in case they haven't...they aren't all that well made, seems like the lock work is a bit weak for the amount of mass it has to spin as I've seen two that had timing problems, both from the beating the bolt/locking notch/frame takes when all that mass comes to a sudden stop .410's just don't pattern that well from short rifled tubes, recoil isn't all that bad....will kill snakes a littler farther away than you can throw the gun.

Once 'graphed a Dan Wesson with no barrel at all...just ondering how fast the bullets were exiting the cylinder, which would be the speed they slam into the forcing cone and are forced to spin...a bit more than 620fps with the loads at hand. With that long cylinder, have to believe the .45LC would be moving along very nicely (675-700FPS?) when they meet rifling. That's a lot of stress to put on a soft lead bullet.

Well I believe I can go you one better. Presented for you approval http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976306543.htm

It's cheaper, smaller kicks more, less accurate. Loading/unloading takes all week. Firing both barrels about one day each. Plus it's too ugly to steal. All in all just what the average pistolero needs. :rolleyes:

I shot the first one to show up in these parts. Everyone else was too smart. It puts a factory .45Colt somewhere on the B-5 target from the muzzle to 7yards.

flatdog.

Have seen those...haven't fired one. Considering the adjectives that come to mind and the rules of the board, lets just say it apears "fecal".

Few years back had the American Derringer pass through in 45/410. Nicer made gun, but same terminal effect. Was impressive with a .45LC and a case full of FFg; impressive in a special effects kind of way, not by target performance.

Well I believe I can go you one better. Presented for you approval http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976306543.htm

It's cheaper, smaller kicks more, less accurate. Loading/unloading takes all week. Firing both barrels about one day each. Plus it's too ugly to steal. All in all just what the average pistolero needs. :rolleyes:

I shot the first one to show up in these parts. Everyone else was too smart. It puts a factory .45Colt somewhere on the B-5 target from the muzzle to 7yards.

flatdog.

Bet you find a lot of those that are for sale, and have only been shot once!!!

Bet you find a lot of those that are for sale, and have only been shot once!!!


Yeah you see a lot of those little single and double barrel monsters at gun shows. I wonder how in the world do you hang on to one???? I still think it'd be neat to have a thunder five, but after posting this, I don;t think I'd shoot it much. More of a "look at this uniqe pistol" piece. Probably won't get one now though, cuz it's ridiculous to buy a gun that you don't at least plan to use. That's ok, there's plenty of other guns i like.:D;) Gonna try to go to the gun show next week and try to get ahold of a Ruger p-90. Saw one at the last gun show I went to for $329, but couldn't buy it cuz I wasn't 21, and didn't have that much on me. Now I wish I'd borrowed the money from my dad and had him buy it and hold it for me till I was 21. Oh well. Maybe I'll get lucky and It'll still be there becuz everybody else was too dumb to buy it at that price. (I know, Not likely, but hey A guy can dream.)



Walter30-06:cool:

Yeah you see a lot of those little single and double barrel monsters at gun shows. I wonder how in the world do you hang on to one???? I still think it'd be neat to have a thunder five, but after posting this, I don;t think I'd shoot it much. More of a "look at this uniqe pistol" piece. Probably won't get one now though, cuz it's ridiculous to buy a gun that you don't at least plan to use. That's ok, there's plenty of other guns i like.:D;) Gonna try to go to the gun show next week and try to get ahold of a Ruger p-90. Saw one at the last gun show I went to for $329, but couldn't buy it cuz I wasn't 21, and didn't have that much on me. Now I wish I'd borrowed the money from my dad and had him buy it and hold it for me till I was 21. Oh well. Maybe I'll get lucky and It'll still be there becuz everybody else was too dumb to buy it at that price. (I know, Not likely, but hey A guy can dream.)



Walter30-06:cool:

Once I got up the nerve to fire it. I curled the pinky finger of my firing hand under the grip. And after attempting to squeeze the trigger. I got tired of waiting and mashed it.

Recoil with the .45 Colt isn't that bad, but it squirms in you hand. By that I mean it tries to rotate down into your hand and twist laterally at the same time. The hammer ended up resting on the web of my hand.

You must manually select each barrel for firing between shots. Or keep using the same barrel over and over again.

It has a grown up version with approx. 14" barrels and a folding stock. I used it to break (4) Sporting Clays "straight incoming birds" at about 15 yards. In front of witnesses just to see if it could be done. I quit while I was ahead. The load for this stunt was Winchester Super X High Brass Game Loads, .410 3" Max DR. EQ. 11/16 Oz. 7 1/2 Shot. .

One of the old hands there gave me a box of .410 Skeet Loads that I keep as a sort of trophy.

To prepare and fire both barrels from a hammer down "on safe" position and return to that same "hammer down" safe position requires (21) separate steps. Not counting picking up the gun. :confused: :rolleyes:

flatdog.

Certainly interesting what folks will come up with. While the idea perhaps has merit, the practicality is lacking. In my opinion, the .410 has never been a stellar small game round even in a full length barrel. Having fired a few factory "snakeshot" loads from my Taurus 450 I believe that even a snake could survive the attack. Just not enough barrel there. They do a mite better from my 4" Smith and will actually do a nice job on pesky red squirrels if fired in my Leveraction rifle at distances of less than 20 feet. The little taurus does better with a homemade shot shell using a roundball to cap the load with...at least the roundball goes where it is supposed to (most times ;*) The Taurus snubbie will also ride comfortably in an IWB holster.

What was it that W.C Fields said about elephants and children? "Fun to look at, but I would not want to own one"

Scotty

just a random question, could you put a .454 cassul in that thing!? talk about getting your hand taken off...

I doubt it.

Walter30-06:cool:

Oh, I bet you can.......ONCE

Hey Guys
I have double barreled .45/410 derringer that I bought about 10 years ago made by FMJ Ducktown,Tenn. I picked it up after fishing a snakepit pond. It is a shotgun type topbreak, with a hammer block safety, and a barrel selector similar to a Savage model 24. I had replaced the grips from my Blackhawk .41 mag. The Packmire Presentation grips from the Blackhawk fit great on the derringer. Not perfect, but who is going to notice. Makes a nice snake gun.

George

Hey Guys
I have double barreled .45/410 derringer that I bought about 10 years ago made by FMJ Ducktown,Tenn. I picked it up after fishing a snakepit pond. It is a shotgun type topbreak, with a hammer block safety, and a barrel selector similar to a Savage model 24. I had replaced the grips from my Blackhawk .41 mag. The Packmire Presentation grips from the Blackhawk fit great on the derringer. Not perfect, but who is going to notice. Makes a nice snake gun.

George

Dude, You oughta post a pic of that one if ya can. we'd love to see it with those blackhawk grips on there

Walter30-06:cool:

You can get most of the effect using a standard 44 or 45 revolver. You just stoke the first couple of chambers with snake shot. It’s still a compromise, but there is less lost when firing bullets.

Darrel

If you want a cheap, usable 410/ 45 long colt pistol for the fishing hole, have a look at a Super Comanche.

I picked up one in nickel finish at the gun show this past weekend for $150.00

It's light considering the 9 3/4 inch barrel and rides good in a holster. Definitely beats toting around a Snake Charmer shotgun, or firing a derringer that would be a pain hanging on to.

Has a transfer-bar type safety too.

Comes with two chokes for 45 colt or for shooting 410 as the barrel is fully rifled. Although it does have the long chamber for 410 as people have spoke of. I haven't tried any 45 colt in it yet for accuracy. Being that it has adjustable sights i'll probably just use 410 slugs anyways. But mostly it'll just be using shot for snakes.

Oh and I need to add that the manual says standard factory loads in 45 colt ONLY. No hot handloads as some use in the newer Rugers.

They're made in Argentina and imported through SGS Importers.

Here's a page with contact info and a pic:

www.firestorm-sgs.com/supercomanche.htm

Hey Shotty! Did you ever try the .45 in the Comanche? I just discovered these and was wondering how the .45 does in this pistol??? Thanks for any input!

I doubt it.

Walter30-06:cool:



actually i'm pretty sure you could, it's the same thing as a 45 lc just a bit longer, so if you can chamber 410, you certainly could chamber 454, I personally wouldn't do it though, heck, I wouldn't fire the thing period.

Marineman

did anyone see that they did offer a 45-70 cylinder [spare]?

Yikes!!!!

I wouldn't mind getting one of those new Taurus 4410 snubbie revolvers when they come out. But the used Thunder 5 revolvers I've seen at the gun shows are junk.


Walter30-06:cool:

Another 'hobby' gun. If I want a revolver I will take my 2 1/2 inch M66 any day over this 'toy'!!! ;)

I saw the 45-70 cylinder. Can you imagine touching that off. Want to talk about scary. I wonder what the bore diameter is. If it is .452...for the 45 Colt, the 45-70 would be way oversized. If the bore diameter is .458, then the 45 colt would be a loose fit and would all of the problems associated with that.

For safety sake, I hope that the bore is somewhere around .470....that might help to keep all of your fingers attached to your hand when the thing explodes in your hand.

Has anyone ever touched off a 45-70 in this thing? Anyone ever slug a barrel to find out what the diameter is?

Maybe we could get one of those cylinders reamed out to .450 Marlin.

Crazy. But I wonder,why bother with something like a .410? Something like this in .338 Winchester Magnum would be much, much more effective, although something that fired mil surp 8mm would be much cheaper to shoot.

;)