I am ready and going to the range on Saturday.

Dave :)

Spring will soon be in the air and there is no better way to be outdoors than spending that time at the shooting range. So grab your rifle, ammo, and ear plugs because it's time to shoot Ranch Dog's Postal Match II!

Beartooth Bullets is our most gracious host this year and progress during the match can be monitored right in the comfort of your own home on these pages.

This year, the match is open to any leveraction centerfire rifle. If you haven't shot a postal match, it's really quite easy. Open the Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/rules.pdf) and print a copy. They are pretty easy to understand because there really isn't many of them. If you have any questions, ask right here on this forum.


You will also need to open the Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf) and print it. It will take a bit to upload the file depending on your connection. You should consider saving the target to your computer so that you can print as many as you need or want to submit. Just click on the the save "disk" on your tool bar. Both the Rules and Target files require Adobe Reader® (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html), it's free and if you need a copy click on the underlined text.


Once the target has been shot, make sure all the information is complete on the face of the target. ON THE BACK OF THE TARGET, add your name, email and snail mail address. The face of the target might be displayed on this web site and RD doesn't want your personal info posted.

As our sponsor Beartooth Bullets will award prizes for top shots. RD's Hondo Creek Ranch will also award a random prize for each category. The winner will be drawn from targets submitted. So... shoot often and submit your targets no matter if the individual target is better than the last. More about the prizes in a subsequent topic once the shooting starts.

If you shot in RD's Post Match I, there are a few changes. The target is a target rather than a post card. Hopefully this will aid the sight picture. As the emphasis on my shoot is on practice for the upcoming hunting season, the 5-shot groups will be measured from the center of the target.

Your participation is appreciated!

Sounds like fun! Gonna get the .250 Savage warmed up, and ironically, my 100-yard gun will be the .35 Rem, as it has a scope....

Ranch dog,
I cant get the rules to come up. When I click on the rules all I get is a white page????

Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/rules.pdf)

Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf)

Adobe Reader? (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html) Adobe Reader is used to open the above files. Adobe Reader must be installed on your computer. It is a simple installation via the referenced link.


Postal Match II...
Any Centerfire Leveraction Rifle
Entries must be postmarked no later than July 31, 2004.

MATCH DEADLINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED UNTIL AUGUST 31, 2004

MAIN MATCH
Youth? 16 years old or younger.
Adult? All other ages.

CATEGORY based on caliber...
20... .218 Bee, .25-35, etc.
30... .30-30, .35 Rem., .38-55, etc.
40... .41 Mag., 444 Marlin, .45-70, etc.

CLASS based on sights...
Open Sights? Receiver sights are considered open sights. All targets shot at 50 yards, no exceptions.
Scopes? Not to exceed 4X with variable scopes adjusted to 4X or lower. All targets shot at 100 yards, no exceptions.

Targets, all classes?
Use only the Ranch Dog?s Postal Match II target.

Scoring Target?
The size of the 5-shot group will be measured from the center of the bullseye to the outside of the furthest bullet hole from the center, minus half the caliber used. Caliber diameter will be as defined in Modern Reloading, Second Edition by Richard Lee.

To open the competition for the category/class we must received 10 entries in category/class.

Shooting your target?
Shoot from a known distance with only a forearm rest. This match depends on your honor and ethics as a sportsman and the target DOES NOT need to be certified by a range officer.

Mailing your entry?
Complete the required items on the target. PRINT YOUR NAME, EMAIL ADDRESS, AND MAILING ADDRESS ON THE BACK OF THE TARGET.

Entries must be postmarked no later than July 31, 2004!

Mail to:
Ranch Dog
P. O. Box 957
Cuero, TX 77954

Make a copy of your target, as they cannot be returned. Multiple entries will be accepted and your best scoring target will be used for the accuracy competition.

Try right-clicking then 'save target as' and save the .pdf file to your computer.

You'll need Adobe Acrobat to view it, although that program is free.

Big Med...
I added a topic for the Rules (http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=9779). Marshall and I were working on some settings and he had to tend to moose steaks... lucky dude!

We should have the file corrected and a target by tomorrow.

Michael

Got em. Thanks Ranch Dog.

Ranch Dog,
Did notice there is no address where to send the entries.

Ranch Dog,
Did notice there is no address where to send the entries.

It's actually printed on the target:

Ranch Dog
P.O. Box 957
Cuero, TX 77954

Ranch Dog, I am glad the index cards are gone but I think I may have the cast bullets shooting in the 1894 to keep them on a card this year. I have not been able to find where to download the target. Is it in another thread? I found the other thread. Please disregard.

I got the rules, but have not been able to get a target. I used the right click and then clicked on print target. all that prints is the 3 pages of the thread. I'm no computer wiz.

R.D.how would you classify a red dot?No magnification.Scope or site?

RanchDog -

My concern: BLRs and m99's are essentially bolt action rifles, but lever operated. Originally RDPM was going to be a Marlin only match, ie, tube mag hanging off the barrel, loose locking bolts and heavy triggers, ie, a contest to see who despite such shotcomings could still shoot reasonable groups... but then MT got unplugged. My concern is with the Marlins and Wins going against the Savages and Brownings, what would have been a contest of VW bugs vs Ford Pintos, is going to become a bugs vs nitro burning whatevers contest. How about adding the requirement that the firearms must have both a tube mag and a lever?

do shoot straight,
greg
www.gmdr.com

R.D.how would you classify a red dot?No magnification.Scope or site?

Oh man... my first command decision of the new match. Well, I looked around a bit and it seems the industry pretty much considers them a sight rather than a riflescope. Most of the dots from the different sporting optics manufacturers have no magnification and sport 3 to 6 MOA dots. No way that should compete with the scope... Yeap, despite waking from a sound nap my dog lifted her head in agreement. Shoot the match at 50-yards!

Hold on there Gmushial! Are you trying to get my MARLIN Ballard eliminated from the postal match? Last year Marlin single shot rifles were allowed!

By the way, where is this new target?

It's coming fellows... I've been watching for it to be posted to the target directory.

My concern: BLRs and m99's are essentially bolt action rifles, but lever operated. Originally RDPM was going to be a Marlin only match, ie, tube mag hanging off the barrel, loose locking bolts and heavy triggers, ie, a contest to see who despite such shotcomings could still shoot reasonable groups... but then MT got unplugged. My concern is with the Marlins and Wins going against the Savages and Brownings, what would have been a contest of VW bugs vs Ford Pintos, is going to become a bugs vs nitro burning whatevers contest. How about adding the requirement that the firearms must have both a tube mag and a lever?do shoot straight

Greg...
Given the circumstances you've outlineded above, it would be difficult to limit this to the individual rifles with tube magazines. I would also be concerned about limiting the potential number of participants in this event as the PMI didn't generate much interest from the hordes of folks on MarlinTalk. From the quality of the participation we had last year, I have no qualms about the Marlin type leveractions competing with these rifles. In fact, my four tube fed levers will shoot inside my wife's M99.

Sometimes, it's hard to figure out just the what the right thing to do would be but I just don't see the problem of these rifles shooting against each other. Time will tell... I do know that folks will have a tough time out shooting you.

Michael

RanchDog,

My son and I would like to particate later. Will be shooting a iron sighted Win 94 (41 vintage 30 WCF) and a 80s vintage Marlin 1894 in 41 Mag with a reciever sight. Need to pick up the Marlin from storage after I get back from Iraq next week.

RanchDog,

My son and I would like to particate later. Will be shooting a iron sighted Win 94 (41 vintage 30 WCF) and a 80s vintage Marlin 1894 in 41 Mag with a reciever sight. Need to pick up the Marlin from storage after I get back from Iraq next week.

That sounds like a great way to celebrate your return CD! Thanks

Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/rules.pdf.pdf)

Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf).

Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/rules.pdf)

Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf).

Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/rules.pdf)

Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf).

Adobe Reader® (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html) Adobe Reader is used to open the above files. Adobe Reader must be installed on your computer. It is a simple installation via the referenced link.

Got it printed and the trigger finger is getting itchy. Thanks Ranch Dog

Until Beartooth can get the files up on their web site, I've found a place to store them.

Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/rules.pdf)

Target (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII%20Target.pdf). This is a fairly large file and might take a little time to open depending on your connection speed. We are working on optimiizing for your use.
RD
I had one thing I wanted to get clear in my head. How many entries can I send in? Are we limited to one entry per catagory or can we send in several for the same catagory? I'm thinking somebody is going to have a bunch of judging to do.
Cary

I am ready and going to the range on Saturday.

Dave :)

The first day is Monday, March 1. So, be careful how you date your targets in the meantime.:D

RSY

RD
I had one thing I wanted to get clear in my head. How many entries can I send in? Are we limited to one entry per catagory or can we send in several for the same catagory? I'm thinking somebody is going to have a bunch of judging to do.
Cary

Good question Cary...

YOU CAN ENTER AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WISH! Your best group in each category will be used to place you in the match but there will be a several random drawings for prizes from all the targets submitted. So, if you you shoot and send in a target but subsequent shooting sessions don't yield any better group... send the targets in anyway as it just increases your chances in the random drawings.

RanchDog -

My concern: BLRs and m99's are essentially bolt action rifles, but lever operated. Originally RDPM was going to be a Marlin only match, ie, tube mag hanging off the barrel, loose locking bolts and heavy triggers, ie, a contest to see who despite such shotcomings could still shoot reasonable groups... but then MT got unplugged. My concern is with the Marlins and Wins going against the Savages and Brownings, what would have been a contest of VW bugs vs Ford Pintos, is going to become a bugs vs nitro burning whatevers contest. How about adding the requirement that the firearms must have both a tube mag and a lever?

do shoot straight,
greg
www.gmdr.com (http://www.gmdr.com)

Greg,

If you're concerned about this, truly, then simply load up some rounds with spitzers of your choice to be fired single-shot from your rifle. I don't believe this would violate the rules, would it? Ranch Dog?

RSY

Greg,
If you're concerned about this, truly, then simply load up some rounds with spitzers of your choice to be fired single-shot from your rifle. I don't believe this would violate the rules, would it? Ranch Dog?
RSY

No it wouldn't. I suspect for the match most of the rifles will be shot without any cartridges in the magazine.

My dog dang near bit me over that one! I'm not going to tell anybody they can't shoot this weekend. The rules have been amended to read "Entries must be postmarked no later than July 31, 2004"

Sorry about the oversight but at least I respond quickly to your concerns. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Y'er not makin' it too easy, are 'ya RD!? I printed out the target and walked it 50 yds away. Whew! Me eyes could barely make 'er out. This'll be a tough one, yes indeedy. My old metallic sighted Winchesters will haf'ta pull through. It'll be a blast!!

:rolleyes: Y'er not makin' it too easy, are 'ya RD!? I printed out the target and walked it 50 yds away. Whew! Me eyes could barely make 'er out.
Dang! You ain't just whistlin' "Dixie."

RSY

Ranch Dog,
And we're underway!!! Did I miss the closing date or hasn't that been determined yet?

Any special category for cast bullets?

As to shooting positions, I shoot from a bench. My forend rest will be sandbags, but is it legal to rest my elbows on the bench or not?

I can appreciate your problems RD, so many clarifications to a simple set of rules!

Is Shelia OK now?

Until Beartooth can get the files up on their web site, I've found a place to store them.

Rules (http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/rules.pdf)

Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf
). I've edited Chief RID reply, only the text in quotes, to correct the link which remains active eventhough it is quoted.

Thanks Ranch Dog. Can't wait.

Ranch Dog,
And we're underway!!! Did I miss the closing date or hasn't that been determined yet?

Any special category for cast bullets?

As to shooting positions, I shoot from a bench. My forend rest will be sandbags, but is it legal to rest my elbows on the bench or not?

I can appreciate your problems RD, so many clarifications to a simple set of rules!

Is Shelia OK now?


Good to hear from you Steelbanger...

Targets must be postmarked no later than July 31, 2004

There is no cast bullet segregation as you guys kicked butt last year and darn your hide... you, Greg and the others have launched me into that activity just from what I saw in RD's PMI! :eek:

I shoot from a bench also and elbows or any other body parts :p are legal. I just didn't want the guns locked in a sight-in type rest or braced with bags.

Thanks for asking, Sheila has spent the entire day helping me with an inspection on my airplane. Some hogs crossed the runway about 20 minutes ago so she was hot on the trail and I had to jump in the Jeep and go after her!

I'll look forward to getting your targets.

Dang! You ain't just whistlin' "Dixie."

RSY


Last year we shot at 3 X 5 index cards! Oh come on guys... I shot at it with my M94 yesterday... I didn't hit diddly but that ain't unusual for me...

Here is an optomized version of the Postal Match II Target:

http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf

That should download fast for the dial-up visitors.

Here is an optomized version of the Postal Match II Target:

http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf

That should download fast for the dial-up visitors.


Thanks Alex, I will redirect the links... thanks!

I was in hopes of getting out this weekend to warm up for the match but.......There are snow geese to be killed! The snows are here and I'm headin out to wack some tomorrow. With any luck we might even get a pond jump in and be cleaning geese all day. :D

My new 336CB and 336D are just itching to get in on PMII. They will have to wait for a while. For those that did not get involved last year, I hope you print a target and start shooting this year. It is a lot of fun, and it helps to get you ready for deer season. Have fun gang.

Good luck on them birds!

The PMII is a good time to work on new loads for the up and coming hunting seasons. Plenty of time to try things out and get settled in before the heat of the summer.

I can't open the target file.
I keep getting a notice that the site can't be found.
I get the rules just fine.

JOe

It was moved here, and it looks like the link wasn't fixed.
http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf

Bye
Jack

Jack,
Thanks, your link worked.

Here is your link:
http://www.shootersforum.com/pmii_target.pdf

Here is the link that came up when I clicked on "Targer".
http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII%20Target.pdf

Must be something wrong with the link. But I have the target now and I hope to find an outdoor range to shoot at so I can participate.

Joe

Joe...

After the target was moved to the BTB site, I removed it from my personal page as the space is very limited... I did place a page on that location that will now redirect you to the BTB site just in case someone ends up with the old link.

Michael

:D RD, are we going caliber specific? I'll use one of my '86s. Could be 33, 45-90 or somewhere in between. I have plenty oif time to see which one will do. This is about the only time that a tang sight has any use. LOL.

Mike,

Take a look at the rules. All the 30 caliber guns; 30-30 Win., 35 Rem., 38-55, etc. compete with each other. Same with 20 and 40 caliber rifles.

I'm headed to the range tommorrow!

Mike,

Take a look at the rules. All the 30 caliber guns; 30-30 Win., 35 Rem., 38-55, etc. compete with each other. Same with 20 and 40 caliber rifles.

If I win shooting my .375 Win. against guys shooting .30-30s, it'll be nothing short of a small miracle. :( Now, if I was shooting with the Big Bore group ,that's another story. :D

We shall see.

RSY

RSY,
Why do you think you are at a disadvantage against 30-30 and not with the "big bores"? Trust me, you are at no disadvantage with the .375.

Big medicine

Sure he is......psyche! :D :D :D

RSY,
Why do you think you are at a disadvantage against 30-30 and not with the "big bores"? Trust me, you are at no disadvantage with the .375.

Maybe not with a .38-55, for example, but a .375 is in another class recoil-wise, than the .30-30. No worries. though. I'll take my lumps. :D

If recoil weren't a factor, we wouldn't have classes, to begin with. Or, is there something else on which our three classes are based? :confused:

RSY

Jay,

Maybe we will all get together for a Marlin Shoot one day. wouldn't that be a reall hoot?

DAve :)

Actually the classes where set up with bullet diameter in mind. The groups are compensated by bullet diameter but the basic groups keep the playing field level.

Last year the match was based on precision shooting; just the overall size of the group and that group wasn't referenced to a bullseye. As far as which calibers shoot the smallest groups overall... Big Bores... no doubt about it and that has been my overall experience. Here is what the smallest groups in each caliber looked like...

20's... .605"
30's... .577"
40's... .527"

Based on these numbers, you are better off shooting your .375 Win. in the .30's rather than against the .40's

Interesting numbers, RD. I shall proceed as directed.

Maybe we could have a special ".219 Zipper vs. .45-70 Govt." category just to wring the numbers out. :D

Well,

Ya'll have really set the hook.

This is going to be one of those type of challenges that could turn into a recipie for instanity, 100 yards, 4X scope, FIVE shot groups......I can almost see myself going nutty after putting four in real close, and the fifth, "over there".

Not to mention that I have to choose one of my crank actions. Which one? I know how these guns shoot, and I do believe that this will have to be done purposefully, selecting one, and sticking with it. I have no idea which one would be most competitive, as all have needed the occasional group therapy.

Time is wasting....... to the bench!

Steve

Whitehunter35,
The nice part about it the playing field is pretty level. It doesnt come down to who has the most amount amount of money to spend on the highest power scope, space gun design ect. It comes down to working with a rifle and loads and shooting it.

It does become very frustrating. Like you said you get a good group with 4 rounds.....and then pull the 5th and start all over again. But it is a lot of fun. And I think the most important thing is that it gets you ready for hunting season.

Just remember to submit those target even if the 5th is a flyer... you never know!

Ok gang, lets hear about some of the shootin that went on this past weekend.

Well,

Three of us went to the range and the wind was blowing at least 30 mph NBS! 4" groups at 100 yd. was about the best we could do. Drat!!!!

Maybe this next weekend. Oh, the 20 ga. did well at 30 ft. :D

Dave :)

I've been faced with the same thing, rain (inkjet printer targets don't do to well) and strong winds. Keep up the faith fellows!

Same, same here. Rain, wind, and mud up to your..... :eek: But it has to dry out one of these days.

Would a Pedersoli Sharps 45-90 classify as a lever gun? I've almost got it shooting in the same county as I'm touching it off in...

Would a Pedersoli Sharps 45-90 classify as a lever gun? I've almost got it shooting in the same county as I'm touching it off in...

Baggsy,
In that I'm more than 2 counties away... wouldn't that be considered a single-shot and not a leveraction repeater?

Michael

This sounds like fun! Is there a problem with printing the taget then making photo copies to shoot? refelx264

No problem at all... extra points for getting caught using the copier at work :eek:

Baggsy,
In that I'm more than 2 counties away... wouldn't that be considered a single-shot and not a leveraction repeater?

Michael

I suspect you're right, RD. I've heard 'em called 'Breach loaded Lever Action", but the repeater part might get me. I could hang a bunch of cartridges from my mouth to make it a "Sorta Semi Repeater"?

Just sounds like a lot of fun you folks are having...I may have to find me a legitimate repeater for the next one!!!

Baggsy...

Look in the General Discussion Forum for Postal Match (http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=9698), jb12string is trying to stir up some interest in a match for all you fellows that don't have the lever rifles.

I am keen to give this a go RD only got 2 questions.

is a indoor range ok. 100 yards for 30-30 with scope set to 4x power?

and what is the final post date for aussies as it will take about a week for snail mail to get to your address.

possibly a email copy sent in be ok. I can understand the "no its easy to mess with a scanned image" reason no problems.

cheers
30/30

Aussie...
An indoor range is fine and just be sure you finish up no later than deadline. After the deadline it will be a week or so before the final results are posted and it's easy to let me know one is on the way. Just send it like any normal letter with no special handling... keep it cheap!

I did have a fellow send me a post with a stamp that featured a Kelpie dog! Something like that ought to be worth about .1"! Just kidding!!!

RD - this is very cool! Quite different from last years match. I will be entering. Looking forward to it!

I finally got the Acrobat reader downloaded and got a copy of the PMII target.

Questions:

1) The Offical Target that I downloaded is in black and white. Is this correct?

2) Can the target's center be changed to a different color (in example: Blaze Orange) by the shooter, and still be legal?

3) Are the factory ammo shooters competing in the same classes as the handloaders?


Coments:

Well, I am not as confident as I first was because;

A) I can't use the locking vise. I can rarely be as good of a shot as my guns can.

B) A 5 shot group compared to my normal levergun 3 shot group. Something always seems to go wrong on those last two shots.

C) Along with my scoped 336 .35rem, I am looking fowarded to entering my Winchester 94AE Trapper .44 and my Marlin 30AW in the open sight class. The latter two leverguns don't see as much action as I feel that they deserve.

R.D., thanks for the challenge. I missed the first PM, I will surely not miss this one. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel that I will be competing more against myself than the other fine shooter's you have gathered together.

Questions from Leverpuller

1) The Offical Target that I downloaded is in black and white. Is this correct?

Yeap

2) Can the target's center be changed to a different color (in example: Blaze Orange) by the shooter, and still be legal?

Nope

3) Are the factory ammo shooters competing in the same classes as the handloaders?

Nope

Well, I am not as confident as I first was because;

A) I can't use the locking vise. I can rarely be as good of a shot as my guns can.

That's pretty much the case for everybody... we are all even in that respect.

B) A 5 shot group compared to my normal levergun 3 shot group. Something always seems to go wrong on those last two shots.

Yeap

C) Along with my scoped 336 .35rem, I am looking fowarded to entering my Winchester 94AE Trapper .44 and my Marlin 30AW in the open sight class. The latter two leverguns don't see as much action as I feel that they deserve.

That's the good thing about this years match... all the other levers get to play!

R.D., thanks for the challenge. I missed the first PM, I will surely not miss this one. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel that I will be competing more against myself than the other fine shooter's you have gathered together.

Leverpull you have truely hit the cartridge on the primer with that statement. This is really spending one of the better times of the year, outdoors, enjoying your firearm to the fullest. I can assure you that your shooting will improve no matter how good it is now. I taught myself a number of things last year and it put me in a very confident position this past winter with the couple of shots that matter. I will look forward to receiveing your targets!

Good to hear from you Mike and the Ranch Dog is looking forward to pulling your target out of the P.O. Box! I got one in the lower rows so Shiela could retrieve the mail for me... she's still having a little bit of trouble with the key but she will get the hang of it!

Michael

Are there really folks out there who dont own a lever gun? :eek: Well, this match would be a good excuse.

VTDW,
Hows the wind down your way??? It has been blowin about 20-40 mph here for the past couple days. Still pretty much mud up to your.... :eek: , cant get out to shoot targets here. You know it is muddy when a guy cant even get out in the field to get snow goose decoys set up!!

15-20 mph today. Yesterday was just beautiful but I lowered the mower, changed the oil and filter and did the mow thing. what a waste of a great day. Should have done that today and gone to the range yesterday. I sure want to go to the range one day this next week because the great hog hunt is the week after.

Dave :)

I did have a fellow send me a post with a stamp that featured a Kelpie dog! Something like that ought to be worth about .1"! Just kidding!!!


**** if a stamp is worth 1' i'll send ya a whole ****ed dog :D ;)

Mowed the lawn? :( Mow the lawn...go shooting. Never a choice for me ;) As I'm loading my stuff in the truck.....well honey, I'll be back from the range later. If there is enough light I'll try to get the lawn mowed :rolleyes: If not I'll bail it next week! :)
I'm getting the itch to get started on the match, but it will be impossible to get to where I shoot until things dry up. My buddy has a nice bass pond out in the middle of a section. We have a range there next to the pond. We have a bench, 100 yard target board, 50 yard target board, steel gong at 100 yards and small swingers we can set up any where for pistols or small bore. The path back into there is nothing but mud. I'd need a tank retreiver to get my truck out if I tried it. :eek: but once it dries out I'll be out slinging lead.
I will be wanting to see pictures of the hog hunt! Have fun!

Can't pull up the target on those links, don't know if my computer just doesn't have the giddyup or what- really want to do this postal match thing- any suggestions? thanks

Yeah, I'm having probs too. Warnings!! Oh well, that's what comes of being a computor crip.
Pepe Ray

Whiskey & Pepe,

Do you have Adobe Acrobat Reader on your computers? If not you need it to open the target file. It is free.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Dave :)

Whiskey & Pepe,

If your computer has the horsepower to navigate the forum, it should be able to download the targets as long as you have Acrobat Reader. I will add a link to Acrobat's web site above.

If you continue to have problems email me at ranch-dog@juno.com, include your snail mail address and I will get a copy of the target sent to you pronto so that you can participate in the Match.

**** if a stamp is worth 1' i'll send ya a whole ****ed dog :D ;)

Good one Aussie!

RD, can I send you my check for the .444 mold when I send in my targets? Or will you be sold out by then? Or will it be too confusing?

78CJ... the molds have been spoken for as I ordered them when we reached a goal of 25 molds to avoid the setup fee. Send me an email at ranch-dog@juno.com and if any go unclaimed I will let you know.

It's best to send your target in as soon as you shoot.

Michael

Count me and my Winchester 94 big bore .356 in!! Printing the targets as I type :D
whizzum

I couldn't download Acrobat for some dumb reason, so I called a friend and he printed a target up from this forum, but I'm not sure if it is the right one- its got "My Targets .com" in the upper left corner and "free targets and more", the cross hairs with 3 circles in red, a red center dot, and "date, range weapon ,load" on the bottom- is this it?

He printed you a target off of mytargets.com. Have him use the links on this site for the target or send me an email and I will snail mail you a target.

Michael

you guys are all welcome to shoot your non-levers over in my postal match on the rifles and rifle cartridge forum. maybe Ranch Dog and I can compare notes at the end of the matches and find out whose got the smaller groups. (this statement is in no way to be construed as a challenge between the matches)

I opened specific threads for contestant targets... please feel free to continue posting your comments concerning the targets you shot here!

Regarding the use of red dot sights. If they are to be shot as open sights, and one justification for this(there may be more, I don't know) is the fact that most have no magnification, may I shoot the 50 yards with my 1-4X scope set at 1X? There is no magnification there either. The only benefit for ageing eyes is having all your sight planes on the same focal point, but thats exactly what the red dot sights do too. How about it. Save me the trouble of having to remove the 1-4x 20mm from my 1894 SS .44 magnum.

Last year that wasn't that big a deal as group size was what mattered, but this year they also have to be centered on the bull's eye, so this business of removing and re-installing the scope to shoot both the 50 and 100 yard targets is more of a pain.

No big deal. El que no llora, no mama. (loosely translated: The squeaky wheel gets the grease.)

Planning on going to the range soon. Too much work right now!

My 1st target is in the mail.

No big deal. El que no llora, no mama. (loosely translated: The squeaky wheel gets the grease.)

Luis... great quote! I think the real consideration of were the "dots" sit in the open sights vs. scope debate is the size of the dot. Typically, most sporting use dots are 3 to 6 MOA. At 100 yards they cover 3" to 6" on the target. Your crosshairs, even at 1X, are probably still sub MOA at 100 and half that at 50 yards.

Why don't you shoot your rifle at 100-yards?

Michael

My 1st target is in the mail.

Great news Chief, I'll tell Ranch-Dog!

Michael

I'm going to be shooting both, 50 and 100 yards, with the same rifle. Hence the need to remove and install the scope as many times as I go to the range.
Your point on the 3 to 6 moa dot is very valid and I concur with the decision.

Good shooting!

Well Guys,

Went to the good range yesterday after work and managed to spend a little (too little) time on the match.

Firstly, I reckon I used the last bit of printer ink in the U.S. Army, because I only managed to make 6 targets, and the copier went down.

The 358 did fairly well, I stopped using my portable bench after the first string of 5 showed linear tendencies, and didn't pattern enough for me to see a trend- my bench is getting a little loose. Went prone, and the second string was better, although grouped around two inches high(one flyer, of course) . For my third and final string, I held on the bottom of the dark ring, and the first three were touching in the X, the next just a ace outside of the middle bull, and the fifth, over 2 inches low to the 6'0clock. DANG!

I had a great day, and still laugh about it when I see that last target. You know,that kind of nervous laugh that if you do too often the guys in white coats come and get you.

The other rifle, (300 SAV) shot freakishly high, the first string only putting three on the target. I manged to adjust point of aim enough to get two average targets, although I have never been happy with how this rifle groups. I'll send them all in anyway, heck, its only a stamp.

All of these groups had that one round that wanted to be an individualist. What the heck? Barrel fouling? Heat? Fatigue? Sloppy reloading? Why in the world will four go where you want, and the fifth just go where ever? Could somebody please tell me why? (Have to go, the guys in the white coats are here.)

Seriously, I'm having the time of my life, this is almost as fun as hunting. 4X is no trouble, at all. I"m going to keep after it, and JB's match as well. Thanks so much for setting this up, R.D.

Steve

Whitehunter35,
That 5th round.....well it is just there to screw up a good group! :D

The exact same thing happened to me over and over last year. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

BUT I now shoot great 3 shot groups!!!!

Dave

Whitehunter35... glad you are enjoying the shooting! It's funny how 3 always are good but somewhere in that 5 is always a crazy one!

My wife will be shooting her 300 Sav. when I get back from the hunt with Dave and Jack. She said she will hold me responsible if she doesn't win as I'm responsible for reloading her ammo!

If I can get some decent sandbags made, I'm gonna put my 35 Rem to the test on your target, I know the silly thing is a shooter, way better than me, so far. In fact, after I win the match, they're gonna make a movie about how a poor, neglected pawn-shop orphan tamed the target ranges of America........kinda like "Rocky" for leverguns! :D
PJ

Hey guys, you better get those rifles tuned up! Here is one of my sighting-in targets using my 30-30. I'm almost there, and then I'll start sending some targets south! (This load uses a Lyman 31141 bullet and AA#5 powder, by the way.)

As for the use of rests or sandbags, does my hand have to be under the forearm, or can the forearm rest on the sandbag? And you never specified how many points you will award me for getting caught using the office copier. Can I use laser-guided bullets? :rolleyes: Are you tired of stupid questions yet?
PJ

IDShooter,

Run out of ammo? :D

I am sighted in at 2"high at 100 yd. w/444S and 1 1/2" high at 100 yd. w336W due to an upcoming hunt in S. Texas next week. Once we get back I will be trying my best but have never shot such a nice group as yours with my 336W. The 444S is another matter.

Now if I can just get my buddy to handload me some pointy bullets... :p

Dave

Pretty good group ID!

Michael

[QUOTE=VTDW]IDShooter,

Run out of ammo? :D

As a matter of fact, I ran out of time before I ran out of ammo, but just barely - I had six rounds left! :p

I have spring break next week, so I'm hoping to get more rounds loaded and more targets shot. This is a blast!!

Hmm......
Pretty good shootin' for a warm-up ID, to bad there wasn't one more in the group, might have been a sender!! Four rounds or Five?
Gonna have to work on the load for the 45.70 pretty hard to beat that!
Happy shooting Fellas!
Bryan

Well gang, I finally got to the range today. Had about an hour after work before it got :cool: dark. Got 5 targets to send in. that 336CB 38/55 is a shooter! ;) .....The fun has only just begun :cool:

"...after I win the match, they're gonna make a movie about how a poor, neglected pawn-shop orphan tamed the target ranges of America........kinda like "Rocky" for leverguns!"


Morning fellows, I didn't go out on the hunt this morning... decided to sleep in!!! Real quite around the ranch house so I thought I would see what you fellows are up to. Papa... I got one of those rifles too! My 30-30 that is now being converted to a 30-30 AI was a neglected truck rifle. Great shooter.

Big Med...

Thanks for the targets I will look forward to seeing them.

Michael

There are five there. I finally got that group beat! I mailed my targets yesterday, we'll see how long it takes the pony to get from Ideeho to Texas! I sent in several targets from a 94 Win and some from a 336A. I got a couple of good groups, mostly average. It was fun, though! I'm not sure I'll have time to shoot anymore - spring break is over and it's back to school and work.

Count me in. I'll shoot with my .356 Win.

CampFireLiar

Ranch Dog I really like how your posting each category and targets! Will get some sent in here soon. Will be shooting my .45-70 (1895GS) and my .357 (1894CP).


Parted with my 1895GS last week so will only be shooting my 1894CP. :(

OK guys,
My Winchester 1895 carbine in 30-03 is one heck of a shooter! Not bad for a 100 year old rifle :D I will be getting another target off in the mail in the morning. And to think that I had considered selling that rifle last summer, man what was I thinking? Not no more!

Mailed three targets yesterday from my Marlin 1894 in 41 mag

Hi,
I'm new to the group, so I'm not sure this is where to post this request. I live in N E Texas and bought my first Marlin 1894p in Austin this last weekend. I hope to reload for it, and have most of the equipment that I need to do that. I'm looking for some recommendations of loads, bullets, casting mold, etc. I've already downloaded the rules, target, etc. Reading through some of the posts here, it looks like I need to find a combination that will get close to .5 inches at 50 yards to be in the running. I have no idea what the 1894p is capable of doing in that reguard, as well as what I am able to do.
Sixty year old eyes don't quite cut it, and I've put a lyman peep sight on the rifle to help.
Any comments, suggestions are welcome.
Thanks and glad to meet you all.
Flint

Flintrock,
Welcome aboard! Is the 1894P the 44 mag? I cant keep up with all of Marlins letters. The best way to get a good load is to pick a bullet and powder and just start working up a load. I have a load for my 35 Rem that I worked up for my 336CS that pretty much shot clover leaves. Out of my 336D it doesnt shoot worth a ...... about the best I have been able to do so far is 6-8 inches at 100 yards. So it is back to the loading bench. No way could I lucky enough to have a load that shot good out of both rifles.

I have really never messed with cast bullets so I would not be of much help to you there. You might look at what Marshall has to offer here on the website. I have been looking them over and have been thinking of trying some cast bullets. It would be just another excuse to "have" go to the range!

It is a fun match to shoot so get ya some bullets and start slinging lead. :D

Glad to meet you big medicine,
Yes it is a .44 and I appreciate the idea of building up to a good load/group. Which jacketed bullets are you using? I have some old Hornadys that I think are 248 gr that will get me started. Also for silhouettes, do you think hollow points or round nose to be better? All my reloading books are ancient! lol, and I'm thinking of ordering one of those. Again, any suggestions? Sorry for all the questions, but I am trying to keep it down.

Thanks,
Flintrock

Flintrock...
Welcome to Beartooth Bullet's Shooter's Forum and my Postal Match II! You should get a little better response to your load question by asking it on the Marlin 1894 Levergun Forum (http://www.shootersforum.com/forumdisplay.htm?s=&daysprune=30&f=60). Once there, you might also use a the search feature to help expedite your answers. That will help you get in the match as soon as possible!

Flintrock,
Ask as many questions as you like, dont know that I can answer all of them but will sure try. Some of the other guys will probably have some good info also.

As for the bullet I usually shoot the Hornady 250 gr XTP with 17.0 grains of AA#9 thats for a 45LC. I dont have a 44 mag rifle...yet. I think the hollow points will work fine. That is all I shoot out of my 1894 45LC and they have never failed to do the job. I have several reloading books and like the Hornady, Accurate Arms, and Hodgdon manuals the best. Keep those old books there is a lot of good load info in them. I look back in my older books often to compare data.

Hey fellows... A total of 20 targets received so far and some very fine shooting. From what I've seen, the groups get better with the multiple entry targets so keep shooting and remember that there will be prize drawings from all the targets submitted!

Thanks Ranch Dog!!

This may show up twice. I went back a screen to send after previewing and it seems to be lost, so here it is. Again maybe.

Thanks, and I will indeed follow the link you gave. I have already received help here, and appreciate it very much.

Flintrock

Flintrock...
Welcome to Beartooth Bullet's Shooter's Forum and my Postal Match II! You should get a little better response to your load question by asking it on the Marlin 1894 Levergun Forum (http://www.shootersforum.com/forumdisplay.htm?s=&daysprune=30&f=60). Once there, you might also use a the search feature to help expedite your answers. That will help you get in the match as soon as possible!

Thanks big medicine!!

I'm going to follow the link posted by Ranch Dog, and I've noted your info below!! :D

Off following the link,
Flintrock

Flintrock,
Ask as many questions as you like, dont know that I can answer all of them but will sure try. Some of the other guys will probably have some good info also.

As for the bullet I usually shoot the Hornady 250 gr XTP with 17.0 grains of AA#9 thats for a 45LC. I dont have a 44 mag rifle...yet. I think the hollow points will work fine. That is all I shoot out of my 1894 45LC and they have never failed to do the job. I have several reloading books and like the Hornady, Accurate Arms, and Hodgdon manuals the best. Keep those old books there is a lot of good load info in them. I look back in my older books often to compare data.

Excellent shooting guys! 29 targets and counting! So far the Marlin's are pretty much ruling and the Ranch Dog is kind of wondering where all those super shooting BLRs and 99s are :confused:

http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/BLR and M99.jpg

Yes, she pulls out each and every target! Just can't get her to turn the key... yet!

ID Shooter,
I know what you mean about those long barrel rifles. I just love that 38/55. If I only had a horse, I would feel just like the Marlin Cowboy guy ;)

Hey Big Medicine,
Looks like your 38-55 is a real shooter! I love those long-barrelled Marlins!

Ya got to love that picture!

OK guys,
I just got my Williams Fire Sight in the mail today for my 1894 357 mag. I hope to have it on and shooting this afternoon. It is finer and gives a better sight picture. Beats the factory fence post!

Congratulations!!
I hope it works out well for you. which model # fire sight did you get? I may look into one as my front sight is fuzzy to my old eyes. :-)
Flintrock

OK guys,
I just got my Williams Fire Sight in the mail today for my 1894 357 mag. I hope to have it on and shooting this afternoon. It is finer and gives a better sight picture. Beats the factory fence post!

Flintrock,
I'm not sure of the #. It is a .500 hieght. i usually get my fire sight direct from Williams because I have them put the green fiber optic in it insted of the red. In the color spectrum you can see green longer than you can red. I think the Williams is a little finer than the truglow and doesnt cover up as much of the target. If you go to a Fire Sight you might as well go to an aprature rear sight also.

Thanks big medicine!!

I have the lyman peek sight, and as I said, the front sight is fuzzy. I'm thinking of going to a smaller aperture, and I may do that first, and then follow up with the William fire sight as a futher option. I appreciate the input on colors as well as size! In the mean time, happy shooting. :-)

Flintrock

Flintrock,
I'm not sure of the #. It is a .500 hieght. i usually get my fire sight direct from Williams because I have them put the green fiber optic in it insted of the red. In the color spectrum you can see green longer than you can red. I think the Williams is a little finer than the truglow and doesnt cover up as much of the target. If you go to a Fire Sight you might as well go to an aprature rear sight also.

Way to go driver. Glad you are in the hunt. My 16 yr old daughter asked to go shoot today so maybe I will have another target by days end.

Added new targets from Combat Diver, KAINTUCK, Old Wolf, and an additional target from Big Medicine. That brings the entries to almost 40! Come on guys... the Marlins and Winchesters are smoking. Where are all those BLRs and 99s?

It is nice out, very little wind, and I might even get out of work at a decent time tonight. I've got 25-20s loaded ready to blast away, got the new front fire sight on the 357 mag and hope to be out slinging lead in a couple hours!

Hey big medicine,

I hope they fly true!! Enjoy!!

I have been training so hard for the .22 cal silhouette match, that my shooting is deteriorating. I've been shooting in the mid to upper twenties, and was hoping to get over thirty. However, now I'm wondering if I will get over twenty. lol So I'm taking tomorrow off and will see what happens Sunday at the shoot.

Knock 'em flat.

Flintrock

Dang it. I was going to shoot Sunday and Monday but my wife just told me my tile has arrived for my reloading room. Guess I will get that in and the room finished so I can stop reloading out of boxes and get my new bench set up.

I hope that tile works out for you!! Sounds nice. I recently moved and have "stuff" scattered everywhere. Trouble is I would rather shoot than straighten it up. lol

I here you Flintrock. Trouble is that I've been on this project about a year for the same reasons you mention... hunting and shooting always in the way. When I called home last night my wife told me that the room was empty and some fellows where coming over Monday morning to lay the title. It will be nice to have everything done.

OK Guys,
Had two nice days to shoot this weekend. Friday was great no wind. Got out of work at about 5pm and shot until dark. Yesterday was too windy to even think about it, but today was great. I loaded the shooting stuff and my sons little power wheels jeep. He drove the jeep with the targets and tape in the back up and down the range when we went to check targets. It was a morning well spent, the smile on his face said it all. The AA2015BR seemed to shoot the best out of the 25-20 with the 86 gr Rem bullets. There will be more targets in the mail tomorrow.

Hey VTDW, get shootin!! where are your targets? ;)

Don't fret none 'bout them 99s and BLRs, they're a-comin'. I had to lose my 444s yesterday. :( My buddy wanted it back. I got back my Sav 99 take-down 303 though. :) The BLR's just waitin' fer ammo.

Got another target in the mail. I had to use jacketed bullets and am not through readjusting the ghost ring but I was out shooting so I shot a target. Experimantal load too. It looks like a good one though. Without further adjustment of the sights I was happy with the group. I will load more ammo and get it adjusted and send another target in May after this turkey thing is over.

"I will load more ammo and get it adjusted and send another target in May after this turkey thing is over."

Thanks Chief... I've got a couple of targets from others that I will post tonight...

I posted some more entries for Big Medicine and gmark340. Here are some numbers...

Youth Match... 0 participants
20 Cal Match... 2 participants and 4 targets entered.
30 Cal Match... 9 participants and 28 targets entered.
40 Cal Match... 5 participants and 10 targets entered.

An overwhelming number of the targets have been shot with Marlin rifles! Where are the BLRs, M99s, and Winchesters?

Ranch Dog,

Although I've shot a few RDPM targets, none have been acceptable to me, but look out . . . I'm knocking on retirements door and soon will be available to use the range every day! And, my open sighted 30-30 is a Winchester 94 so you'll be getting at least one Winchester target.

Enjoy your holiday.

8 targets in the mail today! Going to shoot some more targets and as soon as I can get my mounts for my scope will be shooting at 100yds also.

Great! I'll tell the dog... she likes checking that P. O. Box!

Michael

CHIEF RID... the dog picked up your target today... great shooting... better than your first target so it's now posted!

Michael

Ranch Dog
I'm in! I'm going to see if I can get my daughter to shoot it as well!! Firearms will be 454 Casull , Rossi , open sites for me and the kid will be 45 LC Win 94 Scoped or open which ever she decides. We'll get them to you ASAP! :D

RD,

Got alot better target to send you. Got my son to shoot from 25yds before he tried 50 and he says he needs alot more range practice.

Ranch Dog, finally got to the range last Thursday. Shot the 1894 .44 mag with the scope on at 100 yards. Then removed the scope and fired it at 50 yards. The results were pretty dismal! But I'm sending you the targets anyhow.

I'm really out of shape. Should be able to go back in a couple of weeks, so I'll try again.

Also been shooting a new 1987T I got, but that needs better sights.

How's the response to the match so far? Keeping you out of trouble?

Take care, and pet the dog for me. :cool:

Luis,

Thanks for the targets... I've been gone a couple of days but will take the dog up to the Post Office this morning to pull targets. Really the match is doing better than it did last year on MarlinTalk but with the addition on the other leveractions on this forum was expecting more of a response. It's still early, may be people will start shooting soon.

Michael

Well gang,
This weekend was not good for shooting30-40 MPH winds with gust to 60 MPH. But.....today is nice hardly anywind. As soon as work is done I'm heading out to try some loads out of the 336D. Gonna give the Speer 180 gr FPs a try. :cool:

Added targets to the 30 caliber match for gmark340 (Marlin 336 in 35 Rem) and LoveMyMarlin (Marlin 1894CP in 357 Mag.)... great shooting guys! Marlin's continue to be the shooter's choice for the match!

Well I went out to see which load I would use for the match for the 454 Rossi. And if I can shoot any where near as good as I did today you guy's are in trouble!! :D If I could get the target loaded I'd show you a very nice 1 1/4" by1 3/8" group of four-yes four! # 1 shot was to see where it would hit and the rest were shot after the site was lowered. But I have no doupt that all five would have been in the same area. The load will be 240 gr XTP Mag over 35 gr W296 , Win Case, CCI SR Mag OAL 1.730" 2315 FPS, Open site 50yrds!



O.K I finally figured it out-Heres the Target!!! :D :cool: The other holes are from 250 gr XTP's with 10.5 gr Unique load wasn't impressed with accuracy with that load! :rolleyes:

I'm having fun! I got my scope mounted Sunday, going out today to sight it in and will shoot at 100yds and get them sent in before the week is out.

Good shoot'n Gunnt45/454... start slinging them at the PM II target and I will tell the dog to watch for the targets!

Michael

Ranch Dog,

10 more targets in the mail. A bit windy today so when I can get a good calm day will try to improve on them. :)

Am I correct that you want all our targets we shoot and not just our best ones? Since there already on there way I hope so! :D

I remembered to put my name and address on the back of these. Sorry about the first batch, believe I forgot to do that. :rolleyes:

"Am I correct that you want all our targets we shoot and not just our best ones? Since there already on there way I hope so! :D"

Yeap all you shoot!

Michael

I received targets today from LoveMyMarlins, Big Medicine, Combat Diver, LuisYamaha... all repeat shooters. Keep up the good work guys and I will post your info and targets tomorrow.

RD,

I was wondering when you'll get that target. That's the best combination I've found for my rifle. Now only if I could be here this coming deer season.

Okay fellows... Updated the topics with the latest shooting, some greatly improved targets from participants and added a new Shooter from Puerto Rico, LuisYamaha!

Because we are close to having the 10 participants to have a match... I've split the 30 caliber shooters into Open Sights; Factory and Reloaded Ammo.

Hopefully the additional contestants will start sending in their targets so we can get on with this! I will start shooting my rifles next week. When you see "9 replies" on the topic, I will start placing the entries.

Michael

Ranch Dog,

First a thought on a name change for this postal match....you could probably pick up a corporate sponsor if you called it the Ranch Dog/Hewitt-Packard Postal Match. I've printed so many targets that HP stock is probably climbing! And, sadly I've thrown most targets away because of embarrasing fliers or great groups printed way off center.

Anyway, today I shot again and am sending my only 30-30 target to date, this one with Speer bullets, fired at 100 meters. I'm also including some open sight, cast bullet targets fired with an 1894-44 mag, and another 1894(CB) in 45 Colt. Incidentally, the weather up here in PA today is just beautiful. 72º, calm, sunny, low humidity and the bugs don't yet know it's their time to bother us.

If I sent all the targets I've fired at you would suspect that I was determined to win the final drawing by stuffing the box! Although it would be nice to win, it wouldn't be fair if I had 50% of the total entries.

I still intend to enter with my 38-55, Win M94, and possibly more from these two 1894's, all with cast bullets & open sights.

I will probably get to the post office by Monday so the targets will be on their way soon.

Best regards

"First a thought on a name change for this postal match....you could probably pick up a corporate sponsor if you called it the Ranch Dog/Hewitt-Packard Postal Match. I've printed so many targets that HP stock is probably climbing!"

Great idea... I can see my dog in the TV ads now! She could actually start supporting MY habits! I will look forward to receiving the targets!

Michael

Steelbanger,
I know what you mean about stuffing the box....I have tossed a reem of paper already :rolleyes: I try to save the good ones and toss the rest. I need to go print more targets ;)

Can you say...FRUSTRATION!
RD, I'm sending you a few targets but they're not that great. I've got two that have four great holes and one YANK. AAARRRGGHHH!
Actually, I had a blast this morning. Even though I didn't shoot that great. Now I've got to go reload some more and try and improve.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/146725.jpg

That 5 shot group is an illusive animal, ain't it. Good Shootin'.

... and putting those 5 shot groups in the center of the target is even worse! I got my Lee custom molds in for the 444 so now I'm going to get down to business. Also going to shoot some BTBs in the match.

My reloading has been put on hold for a month... longer than I can ever remember, as I wanted to rebuild my reloading room. Things are just about done, small things keep getting in the way but I should be done and back in business this week.

Hi Fellas,
Went out Sunday afternoon to shoot a few targets, had an enjoyable time but gave in to the cold and the wind after about an hour.
Tell Sheila not to get excited, mail from Canada probably takes three weeks. :rolleyes:
Hope to find time to shoot a few more targets before it's all over.
Happy Shootin' :)
Bryan

A forum member asked me the following question, anybody know what might be the problem?
=========

Hi RD -

I get blank pages when trying to download the rules & target links, tho I have Adobe Reader.

Can you help, please?

Terry...

Do you have the latest version of AR?

Hi RD -

Yes, v6.0.
Turns out it's the browser (Mozilla Firefox) that doesn't like the links -
brought up Opera and d/l'd just fine. ;-)

Thanks.

regards,

The dog pulled a total of 9 target from 2 shooters out of the box today. Great shooting Duckbill and Steelbanger! I haven't scanned the targets yet because my scanner is in another room. I will have it all back together later this week.

Hi Guys,
Thought I might get out Sunday afternoon to shoot up some more targets, but got 4" of wet snow Saturday night. Crazy country, was 70 F on Saturday! Land of extremes! Anyhow, it's cold and miserable tonite too, so back to the loading bench. Think I'm gonna try 54 , 55, and 57 grains H335 behind my non-heat treated hunting bullet. (420 grain wheelweight) The hardened bullets shoot somewhat better, but this is my favorite bullet for our local whitetails and mulies.
Happy Shootin! :)

Got to messing around spliting the 40 caliber contests and dang if I didn't delete everything. Got it all back up... not in any particular order but please check your info to make sure it is correct. Let me know if it isn't.

Michael

Only two Winchesters, no Savages and all the rest are Marlins.

Yeah, pretty said isn't. My wife will shoot her M99 in the next couple of weeks but I guess those BLR's are all show.

Michael

RD,

Went out and shot my oldest son's Win 94. This one was made in 41'. Will mail target tomorrow.

CD

Ranch Dog, I thought I sent some target at 50 yards, iron sights also. Luis.

Sounds great guys. I'm going to start shooting pretty quick. In a week or so my knee will be past the surgery and I can get down to business!

Michael

Ranch Dog
Target is on it's way! Though not my best effort , I'm proud of this group as it one of the best I've shot with my Cast 300 gr load except for the two flyers(shooter induced)!! More to come.

Thanks Gunnut... I'll tell the dog to get ready for the trip to Post Office.

Finally got some BLR and M99 targets! Great shooting JayHawker... welcome to the match and thanks for participating!

Michael

Received targets from Big Redhead, Combat Diver, Gunnut45/454, and SKPP108... great shooting guys! I have enough entries in the Adult Match: 30 Cal., Open Sights, Reloaded Ammo to open the competition. I will place group size (from center of bullseye) and placement in the next few days.

Michael

Thanks to Gunnut 45 we've got a Rossi shooting with us. Thought I'll show you my two rifles that I've enter the match with. The Winchester 94 was made in 41' in 30 WCF. The Marlin 94 was made in 88' in .41 Mag. Marlin does wear a Williams reciever sight other than that their both factory.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/161946.jpg

Great looking rifles CD!

If I remember correctly, Postal Match 1 revealed that the big bores were some mighty accurate guns. This year seems to be following suit. I am really impressed with the tight groups the .40 cal boys are turning in.
Of course, since we cannot support the back of the rifles, it takes good marksmanship as well. It's got me wanting one real bad.

I have posted the group size for each entry in the Adult, 30 caliber, Open Sight, Reloaded Ammo match. The group size from center is indicated on the respective title bar. I haven't reshuffled the order as that would be a major undertaking. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place has been noted.

Michael

Ranch Dog
The resizing dies used - Hornady Custom Set -New Demesions. Sorry I didn't put that info on the target.

Thanks, I will update the info.

Combat Diver
Along with the Rossi I'll aslo have a Winchester 94 in the mix as soon as I can get my dead butt to the range again!! Between weather and work it's been hard. I've got plenty of loads made up just need to get out an shoot them!

Let Shiela know that there are more targets in the mail. Got out the other day and got the 38/55 and the 35 Rem shot. Dont think that they are as good as ID's targets though. Still working on it. ;)

Got a chance to shot one load out of my Marlin today. Sending target soon. Here's my son (wish I got get him to enter LOL) with the Marlin in .41 Mag.
http://www.hunt101.com/img/165498.JPG

Might get one more range day in before I deploy again.

Great picture CD!

Michael

What's the hammer for?

To keep my son in line! Just kidding, he's a great kid, both of mine are. I'll be seening my oldest in Iraq shortly. The hammer is for driving the target frames into the ground.

Mike, be mailing you another target tomorrow.

CD

Sounds good CD... When are you leaving for the war?

Michael

Before Father's Day.

Sorry to hear that, wish you didn't have to go but I'm proud and appreciate your commitment to our country.

Your son in the picture, is he in TX or KY?

Michael

Mike,

We're up here in Kentucky. Did spend 2 weeks in April down in San Antonio this year (my mother and sister still live there).

CD

Well... If the young fellow is down visiting during any of the holidays and wants to get in a hunt while dad is away, have a family member give me a call. I know it will be tough on him in your absence.

Michael

CD,

My hat's off to you sir. A tough road to travel, especially leaving a fine son home with his whole summer ahead of him.

My sincerest respect for you!

God Bless, and God Speed.

Thanks guys,

Spring squirrel season opens this weekend here (5-18 Jun). We're going to trying and thin them out abit.

CD

We need more entrants in the adult 40 open reload category, please. I need an excuse to load more rounds, tweek the sights a little, and shoot some more targets (FUN). Would anybody care to place a little side bet - say, a box of your best homecast against a box of mine? Are ya' chicken?

I've got a new/old 444 Rifle on the way that will have the open sights. When it gets here and if you aren't working anybody, I will shoot with you.

Anybody interested in the same wager with Scopes?

Michael

Mike, I can't believe you are going to shoot against that group of the Redhead. It is the tightest of the tight. I know you are thinking you can get more on the bulls eye but that is asking a lot. I may try another target with the 44mag this weekend I have another load of the H-110 265 gr ready.

Ranch Dog,

Scopes? Double or nothin'? Intriguing.....

Now wait! I could slap the 4X on the 1894.

The Dog pulled some really nice targets out of the Box today from Big Medicine (30 Cal., Open Sights, Reloads) and AB Rifleman (40 Cal., Scopes, Reloads). I will get them posted as soon as possible.

Michael

Chief... Big Red...

Been running crazy with some home projects will talk to you about the bet Monday... Get ready!

Michael

Mike,

My son and I went squrriel hunting today and didn't see any tree rats but did see some deer and turkey. Now when deer season comes around I won't see any deer but squirrels! Anyway did stop by the range at the Wildlife Managment Area and will be sending you some new targets. Finally got my son to shoot a group! Looks like you be getting your first junior target. Need to get him registered and a screen name.

CD

Great... Just sign the targets Combat Diver II... of course he would always be welcome on the forum!

Michael

Updated targets for Luis Yamaha and add one for Combat Diver. Great shooting guys!

Michael

Michael,

Last evening my 21 yr. old granddaughter stopped by for a visit. She's going on vacation later this week, visiting her boyfriends father in Cuero. She spelled out the name of the town and said no one ever heard of it, but I showed her one of your Postal Match targets with your address and she was quite surprised.

Too bad I can't go along and maybe we could have teamed up on one of your hogs out there in the brush.

More targets coming soon but none as good as last years, at least not so far.

Steelbanger...

What the heck is a matter with that girl... Tell her to stop and not leave without you. The hogs are on the move. All five of my feeders are being hammered! I went to check today on my dove and quail plots and they have been torn to pieces in the last couple of days. The rivers are high because of the recent rains and that always gets them moving. I piled a bunch of limbs and stumps under the feeders today. I'm looking for some really big hogs and this way I can tell what's moving. My feeders do have mud on the legs up 3 feet or better... if it's their backs... that's a good hog... if's it's just snouts... it's still a good hog but not what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the targets... remember we are shooting groups measured from the center of the target this year... that's always tougher but more like shooting those hogs and deer!

What's a kid from Cuero doing up in that part of the country? Did he take a wrong turn somewhere?

Michael

Michael,

Did you ever recieve those targets from my son last week? I'm outta here for another rotation in Iraq tomorrow. I enjoyed shooting with all of you guys. Kept up my shooting skills. Taking three guns out of the arms room this morning a M4A1 carbine, M79 grenade launcher and a National Match M14 (will hopefully get a M1911A1 down range). Catcha later.

CD

Be safe!!!!! May your deployment be unbelievably boring....

I finally got time to post several target updates and some new entries. RD had her first Youth Match contestant... Combat Diver II! Welcome to the shoot!

Combat Diver, Combat Diver II, JayHawker, and SKPP108 submitted targets. Great shooting guys. I'm got ammo ready to go but hog hunting keeps getting in the way on my few days off as the weather has been so wet and cool. MikeG and I are going to try to lay a couple out this afternoon!

Michael,

I got a couple good groups with the 35 Rem 336SC with Williams 5D aperture sight last night, but ran out of ammo before I got them centered. I won't send you a target until they're all in the white. ;)

Where's all the competitors? We need more participation, eh?

Big Readhead... yeap... need more shooters. I've been really tied up with work the last couple of weeks and will be finished with the tough stuff on Monday. I'll try to do a little more promoting next week including shooting the match myself.

Michael

I received some great targets from Dr. A, ibslo, and Marshall Stanton. Great shooting guys!

Sheila enjoyed pulling ibslo's latest envelope and wanted me to post it below!

Now that is an envelope! I have rounds loaded to get back out and shoot....now just need the time and the weather to work out.

Big Med...

Pretty pumped about my 444T. The Open Sight target I submitted is from the 2nd 5-shot group I shot with the rifle. I've only shot ten rounds total through the rifle today. That ammo was loaded with the Lee Loader. It has a factory folding leaf sight that collapses at the shot. The rifle with that 24" barrel is a lot more pleasant to shoot than the Outfitter.

Michael

She's still looking for your targets!

http://cuero.nodial.net/~lindareamy/PMII/BLR%20and%20M99.jpg

Ranch Dog,
Sounds like a nice rifle. My 444 is one of the 1970 mods with the Marlin gold coin in the stock with the 24 inch barrel. I love shooting that rifle. If the Limb saver recoil pad works good on my 45-70 I may just put one on the 444. Get some targets in with that 336D ;)

RD,

I mailed out some targets on Saturday eve and just want to tell you that if any postage is due let me know & I'll send it along with my next batch of targets.

Received an e-mail from W30WCF and he told me he's ready to shoot some targets for the Postal Match. Only a few weeks to go!

Stay in the shade partner.

How would you feel about extending the PMII deadline to August 31st?

Michael

How would you feel about extending the PMII deadline to August 31st?

Michael


Michael,
That would help me out a lot. This past month has been busier than I expected and I personally would love a month extension to get my targest in! :D

Certificates will be issued to the top shooters in each Match, Category, and Class.


The following prizes will be awarded from a random drawing of targets submitted. Updated 07/12/2004 Beartooth Bullets hats and Technical Guides courtesy of Marshall Stanton and Beartooth Bullets Four, $50 Beartooth Bullets Gift Certificates courtesy of Ranch Dog's Hondo Creek Ranch and Forum member/Moderator DOK Ten, 1 lb. bags of Yaucono Coffee from Puerto Rico courtesy of Forum member LuisYamaha Six, Custom-built expander buttons for Lyman "M" dies courtesy of Forum member/Moderator MikeG

Drawn from entries shot with cast bullets; 10 lbs. of Linotype Lead (10 1 lb. ingots) courtesy of the Ranch Dog's Hondo Creek Ranch


Everyone one gets a fair shot at the prizes. The more targets you shoot and submit, the better your chances of winning a prize.

If you have a prize that you would like to donate, please drop me a PM or email.

I haven't even shot a target..... shame on me, been busy.

I'd support that!

I'll add some prizes:

Custom-built expander button for Lyman "M" dies. By custom, I mean built EXACTLY for the diameter of bullet you are shooting. Also will incorporate a short 'pilot' section to help ensure that case necks are concentric. See the tech notes for pictures, explanation, etc.

These are made of oil-hardened drill rod, and you won't be wearing one out anytime soon :D I think I have 5/8" drill rod on hand so anything up to that is fine, should cover through .600 Nitro Express I think :eek:

Naturally I'll have to make these after the winners are announced.....

Michael, let me know how many you want to give away as prizes. Half a dozen or so is fine.

I hurridly fired a few rounds downrange through a PMII target or three, but nothing like I'd enjoy doing. With an extension maybe I could get the kids to shoot a few targets as well.

Thanks.

Beartooth Bullets is providing Beartooth Hats (http://beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/hat.htm) and http://beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/book.htm][/i]Technichal Guides ([i), for all categories, to be awarded via random drawing of submitted targets.

GET THOSE TARGETS IN!

Yup, that would be great, just about the time the match is over hunting begins, be all warmed up to hammer a muley!!
Bryan

Added targets from Jayhawker,Steelbander, and Sidespin. Great shooting guys!

Thanks for you comments. PMII deadline has been extended until August 31, 2004.

Michael

Dr. A,

That is one heck of a group you turned in on 40 cal scoped! Congratulations. I would LOVE to get any of my 45-70s shooting groups like that with light cast bullet loads like yours. I have only tried one light cast load - 12 gr Unique under a 340 grainer from my Lee mould, and it was disappointing. What kind of lube do you use? Is your bullet gaschecked or plainbase? I appreciate any advice from an obvious pro.

Live well

Hey everyone.. Is there anything I have to do to signup for the match or can I just send in the target. I have a 1895M .450m that I have been having a hard time shooting, I even sent it back in the factory to get it fixed I really havn't shot it much at all and I am still not convinced it is shooting right still, but I'll break it out and see how it goes.

Just fire away ICS, and welcome aboard.

ICS, if you have any non lever guns you would like to shoot in a match, there is another match for non-levers in the rifles and rifle cartridges section. Good luck in RD's match

ICS...

No sign up... just shoot. The PMII Rules and Target (http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=9840) are here.

If you are having problems with the 450, detail them here at Big Bore Lever-Guns (http://www.shootersforum.com/forumdisplay.htm?f=54) as I'm sure somebody will have some info that helps. I hog hunted with a fellow that shot a 450 Marlin this past Spring. The rifle was very accurate.

Michael

Hey Big Redhead,

I am not a pro, only a guy with so many failures I had to get lucky sometime. I already sent you a PM already, but noticed this here. The known ingredients are 10gr. Titegroup, Starline brass, any large primer, Lyman 457643, liquid alox tumbled twice. Brass necks are annealed. Also, the cast bullets are water quenched. I am not sure that any of this really matters, as Greg Musial had good luck with this load as well. The thing that really improved my accuracy was Marshall Stanton's barrel lapping and his booklet on understanding it. My bullets are not sized, and come out .460 or .461. Temp. was perfect for me at about 70 degrees. It is too hot for me to do any better now!

Well I finally got out again and got some shooting done. I like the Limb Saver Recoil pad on the 1895G. Got one good group with it to send in. Also got out the 444 and shot it. I'm now thinking it NEEDS a Limb Saver pad also.

I may have a finally found a bullet powder combo for the 35 Rem 336D...we will see how it goes. Cant wait to try Marshalls 180 grainers out of it.

There has to be more than just 2, 25-20 rifles out there?

Get out and some targets shot!!

Ranch Dog,

Sent you some more targets off my 1894 SS .44 Rem. magnum. Notice that some of those are 50 yards, without the scope, using the factory iron sights. Same rifle, though, I just remove the scope for the 50 yards, then I just put it back on. **** hot down here now.

Luisyamaha.

Luis,

I'll watch for targets. No problem with pulling and attaching the scope.

Michael

Michael, I was working up a load with my Ruger #1 yesterday for hunting season. It is properly called a falling block. To me this is not a lever gun, although a much more experienced rifleman insisted that it was. I am done getting targets for my 30-30's and 45-70. Does the number one belong on this match or the other gun match? The number one is a 45-70. I worked up a load that really hoots and hollers. My shoulder still hurts from 20 rounds yesterday!

THE OTHER GUN MATCH?!?!?!?!?!? So now us non-lever shooters are shooting the "other gun match" hmmmphff. Just kidding, we will be glad to have you and your #1 if RD rules it illegal.
JB, the other gun match guy

Dr...

Thanks for trying but I think the #1 belongs in the "other gun match" :D

I participate in both matches and happen to have a fairly tight group in the "other match", fired with my Ruger No 1 in 45-70 with 400 gr. Speers! I got lucky one day and had (for me) a really fine 5 shot group. I'm sure JB12string would welcome your participation too.

Your much more experienced rifleman needs still more experience. The No. 1, as you stated, is a falling block action.

Best regards.

Good luck Doc,
Steelbanger laid 'em in pretty tight!!
welcome to the other match

JB, is there a area where the competition is posted? What do I have to compete with?

Yup, sure is, its under the JB's Postal match section under rifles and rifle cartridges section, if you have any questions, feel free to ask