Here's a load that's good for deer whatever angle they are standing at . 50grs. Reloader7 and Barns 240gr.brass solid. You have to seat it past crimp grove but it gives 2250 ft./sec. from my 18.5 barrel 444p. Start 10% lower and work yourway up. This is a max load in my gun. I used a CCI 200 primer, and Lee crimp die.